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Need help, suspension and exhaust

Okay, First off, I'm looking for a high flow cat to fit the stock exhaust test piping and a muffler to fit, I need brand recommendations. Willing to do a cat back, but I'd like to have a Buddy Club Pro Spec or a Vibrant Muffler with a high flow cat that would fit. I need either suggestions for catback, or a cat that would fit either of those two.

Also, my suspension question, if I cut my stock springs a half an inch to three quarters, will my suspension be softer? I want to lower the car but don't quite have the money for adjustable coilovers.

Any kind of reply is appreciated. Thanks.
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I personally would never cut my stock springs. Just me tho
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So wait for adjustable coilovers to lower it?
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Yes wait and do it properly when you can afford it. Stock suspension is better than hacked up bouncy suspension
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What about for exhaust, any suggestions?
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as far as the cat goes..either keep it or delete it. you only gain 2 hp from removing it..if law requires you to have one keep it..dont worry about high flow either they are all the same as long as the 2 inlets are the same size.

also if u wanna avoid that horrid angry hornets noise make sure to get a good resonator...try to find one bigger than your average bottle resonator..glasspacks work pretty good too.

consider going 3 inch if your looking for a performance gain..if not 2.5 works

and dont cut the springs...its one of the worst things you can do to your car.

just buy save up and buy new springs\shocks..lowering springs by them selvs can blow out stock shocks after a while. how long they last depends on how old\worn they are. for short term you should be good tho.
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Re: Need help, suspension and exhaust

Do the suspension right and save for coilovers! As for exhaust I use dc sport cat back and it sounds decent.
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as far as the cat goes..either keep it or delete it. you only gain 2 hp from removing it..if law requires you to have one keep it..dont worry about high flow either they are all the same as long as the 2 inlets are the same size.

also if u wanna avoid that horrid angry hornets noise make sure to get a good resonator...try to find one bigger than your average bottle resonator..glasspacks work pretty good too.

consider going 3 inch if your looking for a performance gain..if not 2.5 works

and dont cut the springs...its one of the worst things you can do to your car.

just buy save up and buy new springs\shocks..lowering springs by them selvs can blow out stock shocks after a while. how long they last depends on how old\worn they are. for short term you should be good tho.
So here is my next question, if the only reason why I have to have a cat is for noise, is it better to rock another or bigger resonator in the muffler? Is there going to be a muffler that comes with extra piping incase I were to delete it or would I have to fill that in with some kind of test pipping?
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Re: Need help, suspension and exhaust

are you trying to do a custom exhaust? if so then a good muffler like Apexi 2.25-2.5" piping depending on how aggressive of engine mods you're going to do. The resonator is what gives it a deep sound so to the ears it's a pleasant sound.
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No, my idea was, some kind of high flow cat, with either a vibrant or buddy club pro spec muffler, so anything thats compatible with those, will do. I can delete the cat if I know about test piping and if I know the muffler will reach, but I live in New Orleans and for the most part anything goes, as long as its under 80db, I'm good.
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Aww damn I forgot, you're right across the lake from me, lol. If you want quiet, it's gonna come at a cost. Trust me. I paid like $460 for my WorldSport2, but that bastard is super quiet.
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If your going for cheap just hit up your local exhaust shop, I got a dynomax super turbo muffler with a 2.5 inch cat back and it sounds really good. It's got a nice tone and not raspy. The muffler was only $35 and the 2.5 inch piping was only $80.

As for the springs, if your only gonna cut it half an inch that's just a waste of time. You won't really be able to tell that's it's been lowered. But everyone says cut springs suck ass blah blah blah, my friend cut 4 inches off his springs on his Mazda mx3 and the ride is good compared to my bouncy ass skunk 2 coils.
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Any lowered car usually rides a little leads smoothly in my experience but usually is better if its done correctly
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If your going for cheap just hit up your local exhaust shop, I got a dynomax super turbo muffler with a 2.5 inch cat back and it sounds really good. It's got a nice tone and not raspy. The muffler was only $35 and the 2.5 inch piping was only $80.

As for the springs, if your only gonna cut it half an inch that's just a waste of time. You won't really be able to tell that's it's been lowered. But everyone says cut springs suck ass blah blah blah, my friend cut 4 inches off his springs on his Mazda mx3 and the ride is good compared to my bouncy ass skunk 2 coils.
The problem with cutting springs isn't ride height or quality. The problem is you are sacrificing the integrity of the spring and putting excessive stress on the strut.


As for a hi-flow cat, magnaflow is the pretty much universal choice.

As for exhaust, your on your own to research it.
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I have a vibrant strawflower muffler. and kteller 3" custom exhaust piping mated to a magnaflow high flow cat and a hytech header. hoping to get an as close to stock sound as possible. there is a company better than magnaflow, forgot the name but I'm sure you can find it easy. their stuff usually goes for a lot more

as for suspension. dont cut. it'll make you ride stiff and bouncy. just save up for coilovers
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as for suspension. dont cut. it'll make you ride stiff and bouncy. just save up for coilovers
lolwut?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're removing coils, and thereby reducing spring preload, won't that make the spring weaker and therefore softer? It will be terribly bouncy though, especially when you're riding on the bumpstops.
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I think it might be the opposite tbh. it's less spring absorbing the same amount of load. if you added spring then it seems like it would he softer because it has more material to absorb a bump
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I think it might be the opposite tbh. it's less spring absorbing the same amount of load. if you added spring then it seems like it would he softer because it has more material to absorb a bump
EDIT: Wait hold on. Doing research. Will update when I find solid info.

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Found this on a motorcycle website: "A spring’s tension rate, in inch lbs per inch, is inversely proportional to the number of coils being used. The fewer the coils the stiffer the spring rate. One way to think of this is it’s easier to bend a piece of rebar that’s 6ft long versus’ one 2ft long. Now you understand why when your 18yr old neighbor kid cut his springs to drop his car lower the car now bounces down the highway. The spring rate has been increased due to less coils but the damping rate remained the same. The springs are now overpowering the damping circuits"
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Here is the quantitative version of what you just said:

k = d^4 G / (8 D^3 N)

where:

d = diameter of the wire

G = Bulk Modulus (material property)

D = Diameter of the spring

N = Number of turns

k = spring rate
So you're correct, UPSLuder.
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ehh I dunno. just a theory. I'm too lazy to think right now haha. either way it's bad
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ehh I dunno. just a theory. I'm too lazy to think right now haha. either way it's bad
lol read it again. I found a solid answer.
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So the magnaflow cat will fit with the buddy club?
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ya, just find a direct fit in whatever diameter pipe size your exhaust is

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ahhhh, ok. that explains it. thank you for finding that information sir.
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ahhhh, ok. that explains it. thank you for finding that information sir.
So shorter stock springs, makes it stiffer, but isn't that good for cornering, and would it really but that much stress on the springs themself?
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ahhhh, ok. that explains it. thank you for finding that information sir.
So here is my next question, how do I get a cat that fits the difference inbetween the stock 2.25 inch exhaust and fits prolly the bigger buddy club? Do I have that option to have different sizes on each end?

(stock is 2.25inch right?)
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First topic of cutting coils....that's how redneck 16year olds lower their Neon...to put it another way, don't do it. There is no looking into it deeper than that. Its wrong, there's no right way to cut a spring. It is not beneficial in any way. Period The bottom of a spring has a specific bend for 2 reasons; to accommodate the spring perch and is an integral part of the springs initial movement.

As far as the exhaust, you really need to figure out what muffler you want, what size piping it is/what you want and buy the intermediate parts to fit. Just like you wouldnt say I want this intake manifold and this turbo, what engine do I want. You need to have the basics and fill in the voids.
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97-01 98 99 00 Honda Prelude Buddy Club Pro Spec CatBack Exhaust System OctaneMotorSports.com

Doesn't give me specifications? This is the second site. It says bolt on, but still?
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ahhhh, ok. that explains it. thank you for finding that information sir.
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I've decided on something less pricely like the Tanabe Medallion exhaust, my friend Sean at the auto program at my college suggested it when I told him I was only looking to spend about $350. I looked it up, it sounds nice. As for the cat and whatnot, I'll look that up later, but I know I'm atleast getting that much for the muffler and piping from cat back.
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The Tanabe Medallion is that cheap? I thought it was even more expensive than my WS2. Maybe that was the Hyper Medallion... I dunno.
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