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Old 03-23-2011, 07:09 PM
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Can anyone tell me why my car won't turn over? I have posted a video down below so you can see and hear it.


I know nothing about cars!

For a long time, the car would never idle correctly, the revs would always go up and down, never stable. I had a diagnostic run on it a month ago and they told me the problem was the computer.

They said a used one cannot be reprogrammed and I would have to buy a new one. I was quoted at like 2000 dollars for the computer/installation.

The mechanic said he would scrap the car.

It has 144,000 kms on it. No other problems, it has always run ok since the Idle problem.

I just kept driving it with the idle problem, and eventually it just died on me when I pulled out of the gym. I was able to fire it up a few times and get to the side of the road.

Now what you see in this video is all it does when I try to start it up. I really don't want to have it towed to have them tell me its the computer, or an additional part.

Thanks. Will it be a money pit? How much do you think it is worth?

Problems include:
1. Was rear ended and the trunk leaks in heavy rain.
2. Locks do not lock correctly


I really love my prelude and do not want to get rid of it...



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Old 03-23-2011, 07:41 PM
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Hi Stormcloak. It sounds like the engine has no Compression. Most likely the timing belt is broken. I'm not too sure if your engine is interference or not (interference meaning the valves can hit the piston if the engines timing is out of sync) saying that, hopefully not as the repair will be very expensive. If the engine is not interference then the repair would require replacing the timing belt.

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OK, so how much would it cost to replace? I started it up and went nuts turning it over until it stopped. Could that cause damage?

How much would the car be worth and what should I disclose if I sold it do you think?

Cons:
It was an write off and so I bought it with that in mind. The rear had been replaced and has a slow leak still.

A bit of damage to the side as you can see

So the timing belt is snapped, assuming.

And the computer needs to be replaced

Pros:
It has 144k on the engine

What is this car worth now, honestly people?

Should I fix it?
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hmm idn about the timing belt because mine cranked faster. but ya no compression man. Take the valve cover and check the belt. thats your best bet. post pictures of the valve cover off
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Re: Prelude wont turn over HELP! Link is posted

hmm actually now that i listen to the vid again im starting to lean towards timing belt tooo
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Re: Prelude wont turn over HELP! Link is posted

Something just isn't right, I don't want to lean on timing belt but sounds like only the starter is rotating the crank.

Take the valve cover off and let us have a look see..or you can just let me have that scrap of metal
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If the starter wasn't engaging the crank, you wouldn't see the power steering pump pulley turning while he's cranking it over.
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If the starter wasn't engaging the crank, you wouldn't see the power steering pump pulley turning while he's cranking it over.
who said the starter wasn't turning the crank?
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First of all. a computer for your car IS reprogrammable and replaceable VERY cheaply too I might add. A junkyard p13 PCM can be picked up with very little mechanical ability from a u-wrench it place for as little as $50. If you prefer, Do as I did and get one already pulled on ebay for $75. Hell if you're feeling dangerous, ebay's got a spoon/chipped/ you set your own vtec rpm engagement PCM for $200 to give your car something like 20 added hp. Putting aside the fact that an idle problem, however annoying it may be, is unlikely to be a PCM problem, also keeping in mind that 5th generation ludes are OBD2 and can be taken to any auto parts chain store for an instant diagnosis. FYI= there's absolutely no code that says "the computer in your car is busted sir, and your car is ****ed. Now go scrap that bitch." That's mechanic speak for," I know you know nothing about cars and I can totally make a lot of money from the fact that you don't know that I just lied to you. I'm the mechanic, my assessment is indisputable." LOL. my next words will be "I'll give you a hundred and a half for it cuz I feel bad for you." Then he's going to completely dismantle it, part it out for a few thousand, and STILL get back the $150 he gave you when he scraps what's left over. In other words. He scammed you. It was probably something stupid like a bad knock sensor that caused your idle issue. (not that that was neccesarily the problem, just an example) Second, it's possible he may have snapped the timing belt, though that wasn't my first thought at all. You said your trunk had a bad leak and an accident yes? The preludes fuel pump and sending unit are right in the line of fire for both problems. Recharge your battery, open your trunk and have someone listen close to the bottom near the back seat. If they don't hear an electric motor come on when you turn the key to on, you have a bad fuel pump. They're easy to change, located under the back seat but they do go bad and no dude cranking it over and over til the battery's dead won't hurt your car. No worries. If the pump works, you don't even need to take the valve cover off. Next step is easier than that. Pull one spark plug wire, have a friend crank it over. Pull the boot back on the wire and hold the metal part about a centimeter away from the block or the tranny. If you're getting spark, you'll see a zap between the wire and block. If not pull the cap and rotor off and see if either are missing any metal nodes on them. 5 points on the cap, on long one on the rotor inside. If you're getting spark, Stop in at autozone or any other parts place and rent a compression tester. And it's not even really renting, you get the money back when you give the tool back. Can you change a spark plug? If so, you can operate a compression tester. remove one spark plug, insert compression tester into spark plug socket, crank engine. If the needle doesn't move, you have no compression and may likely have snapped your timing belt. If so, I'm very sorry. I"m at least 90% certain that all the h and f series motors were interference heads. If you did break the belt, it's very likely that your head is now junk cuz your valves have been smashed by the pistons. There's a small chance and I"m routing for you on this one only cuz it's been an idle problem you have...The belt just fell apart at low idle, gently split and the valves only "kissed" the pistons rather than hit them with 240 psi. This is probably way more information than you needed. however,Your first sentence was, "I know nothing about cars" And the answers you've gotten havent addressed that. I don't think anyone else thus far has caught that nor the obvious bull**** the mechanic was trying to pull. Hondas, are just hitting puberty at 144,000 miles not scrap yards. This is the simplest cheapest and least mechanically involved way to diagnosis. Good luck with it
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Please take the valve cover and check the timing belt It may be something simple or bad, you won't know until you take it off and find out.. Like elscocho said you can get a ecu for cheap with no problem alot less than $2000. Let us know what the results are when you take the valve cover off..
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do a compression test and post results. as stated its as easy as changing your plugs.
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im having the same problem but i have had move everything I have done lots already for my prelude i have bought new motor, new sparks plugs and cables, move the timing, new gas pump and filters, battery is working fine, and the starter i just change it yesturday and it still wont wanna turn on with the key only with a little starter fluid.We check everything was on place and we can seem to fine the problem and once it turns on the RPMs seem to go from under 1 up to 2 up and down repeatedly and and it seems like it wants to turn off but it wont. It runs great once you step on it but only on a stop, parking, and even neutral seems to make this. if you ever find whats wrong with ur can you let me know what you did to fix it maybe you can help me PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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im having the same problem but i have had move everything I have done lots already for my prelude i have bought new motor, new sparks plugs and cables, move the timing, new gas pump and filters, battery is working fine, and the starter i just change it yesturday and it still wont wanna turn on with the key only with a little starter fluid.We check everything was on place and we can seem to fine the problem and once it turns on the RPMs seem to go from under 1 up to 2 up and down repeatedly and and it seems like it wants to turn off but it wont. It runs great once you step on it but only on a stop, parking, and even neutral seems to make this. if you ever find whats wrong with ur can you let me know what you did to fix it maybe you can help me PLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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h22 is an interference engine so if the timingbelt went ur probably looking at bent valves etc.
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somethin def sounds screwed, if your belt broke then you bent up some valves and possibly damaged your pistons, really doesn't sound like its getting any compression at all, but yeh check and see if you get any compression, if you dont have a tester then disable the fuel system and take the plugs out, take your spark plug boot (the black thing with the wire to the distributor) and plug it back on top of the holes for the plugs, remember you already took your plugs out, and go crank it over, if they pop off then at least you've got something, but if they dont you dont have compression, it won't tell you any specifics, just whether or not you have any compression at all. good luck man, dont scrap it either, you can get her another motor if yours is toast.
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Re: Prelude wont turn over HELP! Link is posted

[QUOTE=Marbie;508812][COLOR="Plum"][SIZE="3"][FONT="Georgia"]im having the same problem


ahh yeah your problem sounds exactly like mine. Minus the broken timing belt possibility.. Does the 1/2 K rev up and down at any stop. runs fine while driving.

I will let you know when I find out. driving a different car for now.

Thanks for the help everyone I'm taking the valve cover off
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For the idling issues can sometimes be fixed by cleaning the IACV
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We pulled off the valve cover today, and the belt is broken. I do believe it is an interference engine.
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yes it is an interference motor. you will want to do a leak test on your valves to see how many are broken. could be nasty. best of luck though
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