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Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

Hi all, just registered on PZ today, thought I'd ask your opinions. I posted this on the newcomer section also so forgive me if a douple post is not ok.

I've been reading some quality info all over this site for a week and seems like there are alot of you who really know your stuff (and some who don't....). That being said, allow me to start with a little background on myself.

I'm pretty mechanically inclined. I consider myself a home garage mechanic but by no means an expert. Enough to have a good idea of what I'm doing and get myself into trouble. Hell, i even sell aftermarket truck accesories (and some car) for a living.

I've been a General Motors guy for as far back as I can remember. I've had my fair share of camaros and pick-ups. Always modifying this and that. Camaro's to go faster and trucks to go bigger. Even now I'm driving a 96 Suburban w/ a 4" lift on 33x12.50 tires. Yet, even through all those chevs, my first car was a 87 CRX (maybe 89, can't quite remember). I loved that car.

So, for quite a while now, I've been looking for a new project car. I've been wanting to change it up and go import. I know, it's a different world than domestic rigs, but a learning curve I'm looking forward to. I decided I want a Prelude. 4th or 5th generation. I've always liked those, loved the way they looked, loved every one I've ever test drove. I've been looking online for months for one that I like and finally found one I'm interested.

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like to see what you all think of the 2000 Prelude I'm planning on driving down to pick up next week. Below is the website for the dealer that took it in on a trade-in.

Used 2000 Honda Prelude H22 A 3 Performance Engine For Sale | Colorado Springs CO

Here's what I know (or sort of know):
The tittle says it's got the H22A3 motor. I think thats incorrect and it's the H22A4.
I know there's a little bit of body work to do, mostly paint fixes, but that's ok, intended to be a project car.
The interior will get a complete makeover, another "ok".
The sales manager I spoke with told me they don't know alot about this car except it fires right up and drives good. He did say, though, that when it first fires up and the engine is cold it has a had time holding the idle. But once it's warmed up, it holds just fine.
He also told me that the guy who traded it in shot NOS through it, so not sure on any negative effects from that yet.
Finally, they'll let me have the car for $3K including tax and title and such.

Like I said, I don't mind the project, as long as the motor and tranny can still be worked with. I have a mechanic that specializes in Hondas who picked up the car to do a full diagnostic on it for me and will get back to me later this afternoon on what he finds.

So, there you have it. You know what I know, what do you think?
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Its needs:

New steering wheel
Front Bumper (stock)
Fenders (stock)
Side skirts (stock)
Rear bumper (stock)
Paint
Interior work (as you have already mentioned)
New wheels

It has been in an accident if you didn't notice so it probably has a rebuilt or salvage title. If it had NOS in it then the motor is rallied, period. I guarantee if your mechanic does a compression I bet it will be less than desirable. I would not pay a cent more than $1,500 for that, Actually I probably wouldn't even take it if someone gave it to me. With the things I mentioned it has probably around $4,000 worth of work needed, not counting the $2,000 or so you will soon need for a new motor. That is just my opinion, but I am guessing most of the people on here will agree with me.
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Re: Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

Thanks for your opinion. So you're pretty sure it's not even worth the project? Dealer said title was clean, not a rebuild or salvage.
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Did you get carfax?

I agree KM that you should expect to replace the engine. Who knows what hell it has been through with NOS being shot up its nose.
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ehhhh...I'd stay away from it, too iffy for me and a lot lot of work that needs to be done it looks like especially if the engine is shot. Good luck though, let us know how it goes.
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Thanks for your opinion. So you're pretty sure it's not even worth the project? Dealer said title was clean, not a rebuild or salvage.
You can try to talk them way down if you want, but I talked mine down from $5,000 to $1,900 and I am still regretting it... Yours kinda reminds me of mine. If you get a compression test and that somehow turns out good then it might be worth it if you get it for under $2,000 because then you got a good running motor for under $2,000 but with its history and it having NOS being used in it I doubt a compression test will show anything good.

Just looking at it, it was very riced out, and very rallied. You don't want that kinda car even as a project. Unless your project entailed Rebuilding the whole motor anyway and replacing all the body panels and painting it plus a full redo on the interior and maybe a new transmission lol. That is too big of a project if you ask me. If the compression test is bad and you can get it for $500 I would say that is an alright deal lol.
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Re: Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

Hahaha, shoot, $500 would be sweet....

Thanks for the input everyone. I'll post back with what the mechanic tells me later. I agree with you though as far as the compression check goes. I'm not super optomistic there, but still keeping my fingers crossed. :)
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If the compression test is bad and you wanna do this then go ahead and buy it! lol
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If the compression test is bad and you wanna do this then go ahead and buy it! lol
Lol, right on! Looked like my garage during previous projects.
I'll wait on compression results and decide from there. Hahaha, I've got the whole trip to pick it up planned based on one pending phone call.... I hate when I get excited too early :)
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Lol, right on! Looked like my garage during previous projects.
I'll wait on compression results and decide from there. Hahaha, I've got the whole trip to pick it up planned based on one pending phone call.... I hate when I get excited too early :)
Yeah happens to me all the time!

The main rule in buying a car is you HAVE to be be able to walk away from the deal. If they get you where you cannot walk away from the deal then its an automatic win for the seller. I couldn't walk away from my deal because I was convinced that I couldn't go any longer than a couple days with a car and I didn't think I would get the opportunity for another "great" deal like that lol. It didn't seem weird that they went down from $5,000 to $1,900 to me or that it had been on the lot for over a month or that they would not let me take it to my mechanic. So I obviously lost that one right there lol.
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Did you get carfax?

I agree KM that you should expect to replace the engine. Who knows what hell it has been through with NOS being shot up its nose.
Carfax came back all clean. If I do get it, I'll be owner #4. Started out as a personal lease then repo'd, sold at auction to owner #2 and listed as a fleet vehicle, got a hanful of service records, then personally sold to the last owner in JUN07 where he/she had it till FEB2011. Hahaha, not a blemish on it's record apparently :)
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Carfax came back all clean. If I do get it, I'll be owner #4. Started out as a personal lease then repo'd, sold at auction to owner #2 and listed as a fleet vehicle, got a hanful of service records, then personally sold to the last owner in JUN07 where he/she had it till FEB2011. Hahaha, not a blemish on it's record apparently :)
But the airbag went off for some reason lol...
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Yeah happens to me all the time!

The main rule in buying a car is you HAVE to be be able to walk away from the deal. If they get you where you cannot walk away from the deal then its an automatic win for the seller.
Yep, I know that one for sure. That's how I got nailed on MY first car I bought back in 2000.
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But the airbag went off for some reason lol...
Yeah, that's true. I've seen airbags set off from tinkering with electronics under the hood though. That's what I'm thinking....
Atleast if it has been in a wreck and since carfax doesn't have it listed, i'm pretty sure that qualifies under CARFAX's guarantee buy back program. maybe...
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Yeah, that's true. I've seen airbags set off from tinkering with electronics under the hood though. That's what I'm thinking....
Atleast if it has been in a wreck and since carfax doesn't have it listed, i'm pretty sure that qualifies under CARFAX's guarantee buy back program. maybe...
Didn't know they even had that. I had a clean title and clean carfax on my Jeep that I had and it was in one accident, and I rolled it over on its side. Of course I told this to the people I sold it to, and you could tell by the brand new paint on one side and the 13 year old paint that had gone through thousands of miles of offroading on the other side lol. Caused me to sell it for $3,500 instead of $4,500 to $5,000.
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Didn't know they even had that. I had a clean title and clean carfax on my Jeep that I had and it was in one accident, and I rolled it over on its side. Of course I told this to the people I sold it to, and you could tell by the brand new paint on one side and the 13 year old paint that had gone through thousands of miles of offroading on the other side lol. Caused me to sell it for $3,500 instead of $4,500 to $5,000.
Hahaha, what?? you couldn't match mud stained classic paint colors?

And as for the guarantee, I was a bit mistaken:
"GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back."

Yeah let me read further before I open my mouth....
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Hahaha, what?? you couldn't match mud stained classic paint colors?

And as for the guarantee, I was a bit mistaken:
"GUARANTEED - None of these major title problems were reported by a state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). If you find that any of these title problems were reported by a DMV and not included in this report, CARFAX will buy this vehicle back."

Yeah let me read further before I open my mouth....
Haha yeah that sounds more like it... and they weren't mud stained it was just a lot of scratches from trees and branches and small rocks and what not, ill have to upload some pics of the jeep someday
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I would avoid that car if it were me. Too riced out. Dont like the doors, needs body work more than I would be willing to do. The engine with NOS like you already heard is probably shot. These engines will hold up to NOS pretty well, if built for it. Wheels are ugly, but easy to replace and resell those. Interior looks like someone cut the door panels as well. In My Opinion I would say maybe $1,000-1,200 at most (You can get that much back in parts if needed.) Remember the clutch is probably shot as well, with running NOS, and the way the body looks.


I just bought a 1999 Prelude with 80K miles on it, body is straight, not a spot of rust. Interior is leather and not a tear in it. New Pioneer MP3 Deck, speakers. Recent repaint(black), and new wheels. I paid $3,000 for it as well (It needed engine work.) I would rather buy a car in need of an engine so I can build it the way I want, than buy a car with questionable mechanicals, and trashed body. I hate doing body work, and it is usually more expensive than mechanical work.


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If you wait, a better oportunity will arise. Just remember there are always better deals if your willing to wait for them and search for them.
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id be carefull if i were u. even thats too cheap for a lude. internet price? if u can go see it in person and pick it up yourself and u can drop the price like mentioned earlier, why not. if not, then jst forget about it. its probly a lemon. even if it has a vin, that still doesnt prove much. the guy vould have jst seen it, took sum pics and wrote down the vin number. so its not "reported" stolen, but its not his to sell either. so u send money and lose it.

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If you are looking for a project car, find a basic 5sp Prelude from any year, 97-01, and build on that. Try to find one that some kid hasn't gotten into and screwed with, as this white POS obviously has been. I wouldn't take it for free, and even if I did, I would just part it out.

You sound like a handy guy, can probably get a base or SH Prelude that is stock and work it up to pace pretty quick. Keep checking craigslist, and ebay, among other local sites. A good one is bound to come up. I met a guy the other day with a 98 SH in very good condition but with a bad knock sensor. He is only asking $2900 for this SH and I think he will probably take less if you had cash.

Just keep your eyes open for a good one that hasn't been all riced up by some kids who just got done watching the Fast and Furious.
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But the airbag went off for some reason lol...
can u say "insurance job"?? lol
i bought my lude w/ only a missing pass. airbag.. but carfax is legit. so i guess previous owner got his money off that too. lol
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Ok, here's how it went down...

Talked more about what needed done to it. You were all right, more than they first led on. Clutch was trashed, no surprise. Compression test came back 145psi on all cylinders. Unless I'm mistaken, should be between 190-210. Told the owner it needed way to much work for $3k. Told him motor was toast so I'd take it for $1k cash out the door. He wouldn't budge off the 3k. Said he had a guy coming in to trade his 01 eclipse for it straight across. I told him go for it but he's in the wrong for trying to get that much for a car that's totally shot.

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Re: Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

It's a pot of rice and the ricer crashed his rice into a rice field causing it to rice up. In other words, don't touch it. The amount of body work to be done will cost $4000 alone. That's just for it to look original...
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Re: Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

Nice job man :P I am glad you didn't get it
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Re: Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

I looked at this car too! Lol! What a mess! Glad you decided against it as well! Good luck in your searches!
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Re: Can I get some opinions on the 2000 Prelude I'm about to buy?

good job on walkin away bud..
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