Honda Prelude Forum
 
Go Back   Honda Prelude Forum > Tech-Talk > 5th Gen Honda Prelude

Thread Title
VAFC vs E-manage

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 01:54 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
VAFC vs E-manage

Hey guys, I did quite a bit of searching and I haven't really found what I was looking for. I have an SH so I do not want to lose the ATTS function, but what would be better for simple bolt ons? Is the E-manage really going to be that much better than a VAFC for bold ons? Or should I just use the VAFC instead?

Give me your thoughts.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 03:27 PM
wing8806's Avatar
Grand Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,053
iTrader: (0)
wing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond reputewing8806 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

VAFC tricks your sensors and basically just changes your vtec engagement.


E-manage would give you more options if i'm not mistaken. But I'm not too sure about your ATTS situation.... If it allows you to keep ATTS than go E-manage.

E-manage > VAFC
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 04:44 PM
keeganhmorgan's Avatar
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Cda Idaho
Posts: 1,174
iTrader: (0)
keeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Quote:
Originally Posted by wing8806 View Post
VAFC tricks your sensors and basically just changes your vtec engagement.


E-manage would give you more options if i'm not mistaken. But I'm not too sure about your ATTS situation.... If it allows you to keep ATTS than go E-manage.

E-manage > VAFC
VAFC can also change your AFR's and stuff also I have heard but I would stay away from VAFC its crap lol, if you are just doing simple bolt-ons like i/h/e? Then you do not really need a tuning unit.
__________________
Check out my build thread, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by havikprelude View Post
Idaho
where "driving" is synonomous with "rally"



Seriously...wtf is up with your roads?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidinplay93 View Post
From to
Buy my stuff and help me finish my rebuild 5th Gen Parts
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lexington,ky
Posts: 23
iTrader: (0)
Torreto22 is on a distinguished road
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

VAFC can change air fuel but cant change the timing tables. which are key to being changed if you change vtec engagement. If you change engagement the ecu still wont change into high cam map untill stock engagement. If you are thinking vafc just stay with the stock computer and deal if you want to keep the atts. Emanage would be better if it can keep atts
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 06:18 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: austin texas
Posts: 666
iTrader: (1)
biglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

emanage ultimate and be done. you dont have many options if you want to retain ATTS. the VAFC isnt by any means crappy, it just doesnt have the tunability that the emanage has, but you still cannot get a full tune out of it. you can retain ATTS with the emanage, thats the route im going an i drive an sh.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 06:44 PM
keeganhmorgan's Avatar
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Cda Idaho
Posts: 1,174
iTrader: (0)
keeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Quote:
Originally Posted by biglegs View Post
emanage ultimate and be done. you dont have many options if you want to retain ATTS. the VAFC isnt by any means crappy, it just doesnt have the tunability that the emanage has, but you still cannot get a full tune out of it. you can retain ATTS with the emanage, thats the route im going an i drive an sh.
Well I said it was crap because next to Emanage it kinda is! lol I am probably going to be going this route if I don't get so much HP that my ATTS doesn't work lol
__________________
Check out my build thread, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by havikprelude View Post
Idaho
where "driving" is synonomous with "rally"



Seriously...wtf is up with your roads?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidinplay93 View Post
From to
Buy my stuff and help me finish my rebuild 5th Gen Parts
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 07:42 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

I went to a shop today and asked about install and everything. They said E-manage you will need to buy harnesses and everything like that. It is better but will cost alot more, if i am using it just to change air fuel ratio/vtec then E-manage is not needed. But if i go FI then e-manage would be better.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 08:06 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: austin texas
Posts: 666
iTrader: (1)
biglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

if you go f/i, you stand to lose ATTS. if you lose ATTS, whats the point of lugging around a 100lb useless weight? also, if you go f/i i wouldnt use emanage, i would go with neptune or chrome and get a full tune out of it. you really need to research and come up with what you really want to do.

BOOST=BIG MONEY to do it right, they say that the ATTS unit can handle up to 250 whp before it disables itself but unsure. say you want boost and want to ditch the ATTS, well thats going to cost as well. you will need a new tranny, base axles, base intermediate shaft, base control arms, etc. it adds up QUICK.

either way its going to cost. you have to get either the vafc or emanage installed and then you gotta tune...
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 08:57 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

So what do you suggest for simple bolt ons. VAFC or E-manage
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 08:59 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lexington,ky
Posts: 23
iTrader: (0)
Torreto22 is on a distinguished road
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

if you want to keep atts use the emanage. the vafc is not really good for tunning. simple as that. take it from someone who has tuned on just about every platform there is out there. you dont want to mess with a/f if you cant mess with timing its pointless. either do the emanage or just let the stock computer do its job.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 09:00 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

but comparing the cost of e-manage and vafc it will be alot more expensive?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 09:11 PM
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: austin texas
Posts: 666
iTrader: (1)
biglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond reputebiglegs has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

400+ for the ultimate then around another 2 for the harness. its gonna be around 600 give or take.

vafc is around 100-400 depending on which one(vafc, vafcII or vafc neo) and new vs used.

then you have to install and tune.

ebay has both units new and used, just gotta look for them.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 10:23 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lexington,ky
Posts: 23
iTrader: (0)
Torreto22 is on a distinguished road
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

You are not reading what im saying. If tge emanage isnt in your budget I personally wouldnt waste the money to maybe gain 5hp from a vafc tune.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 10:44 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Thing is, i have a VAFC ver1. already but i found a E-manage for 100 bucks. If the E-manage is that much better i can give my VAFC to my brother and install the E-manage.

It is an E-manage blue the original.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 02-28-2011, 11:02 PM
mortifiedvictim's Avatar
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 270
iTrader: (0)
mortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond reputemortifiedvictim has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Dude, if you can get the e-manage for 100 bucks you need to do that. The harness and tuning will cost you a bit but IMO the upgrade is worth that low of a price-point.

And if you decided to sell it to me for 150 I wouldn't hold it against ya ;)
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2011, 01:36 AM
00CDMLUDER's Avatar
Platinum Member
ROTM!
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Gwinnett, Ga
Posts: 2,189
iTrader: (1)
00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute00CDMLUDER has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

If you already have a vafc and you can get an e-manage for $100 then why don't you buy the e-manage and tell us which one is better?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2011, 06:44 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

So i got the pricing for install and tuning for both.

VAFC
-install $80
-street tune $80
-dyno tune $150
Total: $310

E-Manage
-e-manage $100
-install $150
-harnesses $120
-dyno tune $300
Total: $670

The VAFC cost less to tune because it has alot less function, and install is easier. The guy said if you want perfect results you should get it street tuned first, then dyno tune it to smooth out the power band.

The E-manage will cost alot more because installing will take longer and the harnesses and the tuning is not as user friendly. This means it will take more time.

What do you guys think? If i go for the VAFC is it necessary to get it street tuned then dynoed tuned?
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2011, 01:13 PM
I'm New
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lexington,ky
Posts: 23
iTrader: (0)
Torreto22 is on a distinguished road
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

You are really not goin to gain enough power from the vafc to notice anything for the money. I usually street tune all my vehicles. when i put them on the dyno usually not much more to be able to pull out. But ive been tunning for 6 years now. If you cant afford to do the emanage i really would waste the money getting the vafc tuned either way.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2011, 04:30 PM
keeganhmorgan's Avatar
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Cda Idaho
Posts: 1,174
iTrader: (0)
keeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Quote:
Originally Posted by lude98_sh View Post
So i got the pricing for install and tuning for both.

VAFC
-install $80
-street tune $80
-dyno tune $150
Total: $310

E-Manage
-e-manage $100
-install $150
-harnesses $120
-dyno tune $300
Total: $670

The VAFC cost less to tune because it has alot less function, and install is easier. The guy said if you want perfect results you should get it street tuned first, then dyno tune it to smooth out the power band.

The E-manage will cost alot more because installing will take longer and the harnesses and the tuning is not as user friendly. This means it will take more time.

What do you guys think? If i go for the VAFC is it necessary to get it street tuned then dynoed tuned?
I always thought you were suppose to do dyno tune then street tune?
__________________
Check out my build thread, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by havikprelude View Post
Idaho
where "driving" is synonomous with "rally"



Seriously...wtf is up with your roads?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidinplay93 View Post
From to
Buy my stuff and help me finish my rebuild 5th Gen Parts
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2011, 03:09 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

well the tuner said street tune it first then dyno. I dont know haha
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2011, 03:16 AM
keeganhmorgan's Avatar
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Cda Idaho
Posts: 1,174
iTrader: (0)
keeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Quote:
Originally Posted by lude98_sh View Post
well the tuner said street tune it first then dyno. I dont know haha
Well different tuners have different preferences
__________________
Check out my build thread, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by havikprelude View Post
Idaho
where "driving" is synonomous with "rally"



Seriously...wtf is up with your roads?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidinplay93 View Post
From to
Buy my stuff and help me finish my rebuild 5th Gen Parts
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2011, 03:23 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

haha so i am planning to go with the VAFC since i already have the device and it is cheaper to tune. Is it neccesary to get it street tuned and dynoed?
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2011, 03:28 AM
keeganhmorgan's Avatar
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Cda Idaho
Posts: 1,174
iTrader: (0)
keeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

The reason they do a street tune and a dyno tune is because a dyno tune cannot recreate daily driving like a street tune can, so it will make your driving more "smooth" or at least thats the way I understand it. On the dyno they really only give you a WOT tune
__________________
Check out my build thread, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by havikprelude View Post
Idaho
where "driving" is synonomous with "rally"



Seriously...wtf is up with your roads?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidinplay93 View Post
From to
Buy my stuff and help me finish my rebuild 5th Gen Parts
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2011, 03:29 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 51
iTrader: (0)
lude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond reputelude98_sh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

so it is recondmended to do both kinds of tuning?
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2011, 03:52 AM
keeganhmorgan's Avatar
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Cda Idaho
Posts: 1,174
iTrader: (0)
keeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond reputekeeganhmorgan has a reputation beyond repute
Re: VAFC vs E-manage

Quote:
Originally Posted by lude98_sh View Post
so it is recondmended to do both kinds of tuning?
Its all about the preference of the tuner basically, if the tuner says he likes to do a street tune and a dyno tune then do that because that is how he is comfortable and how he thinks he is going to get the best results. That is the best answer I can give you, I would always want a street tune on a car that I was going to use as a DD because I am not going to be rallying around in WOT all the time.
__________________
Check out my build thread, thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by havikprelude View Post
Idaho
where "driving" is synonomous with "rally"



Seriously...wtf is up with your roads?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidinplay93 View Post
From to
Buy my stuff and help me finish my rebuild 5th Gen Parts
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Greddy E-Manage mckillio General Tech Talk 0 02-01-2009 12:49 AM
Greddy E-Manage Stealthx47 4th Gen Honda Prelude 4 11-10-2008 01:15 PM
Vafc II T.E.L. Product Reviews 26 09-08-2008 12:39 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:14 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2 © 2011, Crawlability, Inc.
vB.Sponsors


Copyright © 2006-2009 PreludeZone.com All Rights Reserved.