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I'm getting a 1997 Prelude (base) with 70k miles. I'm buying it for $5,250. It has a lot of basic mods on it. The guy I'm buying it from is swapping the stock engine with JDM h22a motor. He's also gonna replace the TPS sensor cause it went bad. I also get to keep the stock engine, so I'm gonna sell that. It's a rebuild with 110k miles on it and two sets of headers. I posted some pictures with the thread. The picture of the motor in there is the stock engine.

My question's are: is this a good deal? Are there any bolt on mods that I should change that are ****ty parts?

Here's a list of the mods on the car:
-pioneer deck
-cold air intake
-full apexi exhaust
-new blox throttle body
-under pulleys
-tucked up exhaust so you dont scrape
-hood spacers
-dropped three inches
-h22a4 motor vtec (gonna be swapped with the new JDM H22a with 70k on it.)
-megan headers or greddy (gonna have him put the GReddy headers cause I've heard a lot of bad **** about the Megan headers.)
-brand new jdm transmision
-stage 2 clutch
-blacked out tail lights
-jdm fog lights
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Seems like a decent deal. I'd do spoiler and lip kit, and probably get rid of that tinted rear lights.
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I'm thinking about putting a lip on there. But not a spoiler. I was thinking about taking the stock spoiler off and getting that rear window spoiler. But I know that the rear window spoiler is really hard to find. You know any where I can get one? And I wasn't feeling the rims on the car. Any ideas on different rims? And you think I could get some money for the rims on there now?
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Rear window spoiler... hmm. Probably best bet would be eBay or you could find reps. Not sure what kind of rims those are so I can't say. If your feelin' ballin then go all out with Volk TE37's. I personally am looking for Enkei RPF1's or GP Racing GR-3's (Mugen GP replica's) in gold/bronze cuz it goes with white.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I wasn't sure if there were any companies making the rear window spoilers yet. And to be honest I'm not sure about the rims either. And I saw both of those. They definetly would go good with white. I was thinking some gun metal colored rims to go with black.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I wasn't sure if there were any companies making the rear window spoilers yet. And to be honest I'm not sure about the rims either. And I saw both of those. They definetly would go good with white. I was thinking some gun metal colored rims to go with black.
What's your price range since most of Volk's are lightweight 3 piece wheels which go for $4000+ brand new retail. You can get away with reps which are one piece but they are heavier. I said Enkei RPF1's because they're the best bang for your buck. It's light weight and you can grab a set for probably under a grand if you look around.
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Yeah, my price range is around a grand. Can't really afford more. I was either thinking about getting rims or throwin' a skunk2 intake manifold and some other goodies.
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That's a nice ride sir. Pick it up!
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pretty good deal imo
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Re: Newbie Prelude buyer. Advice?

stay away from the skunk2 manifold... it will not do much for your motor and the install is crazy. Unless you are planning a fully built turbo or n/a motor the skunk2 mani will not offer much performance for the dollar. My advice would be that you stick with the wheels and tires. Or if you want to spen money on performance I would get a tune for your vehicle. This can pe done for around 400 at most and if you spend the extra money and get a Hondata s200 or s300 then you will be set up for further performance modifications... but expect to pay around 1k for the s300, ecu, conversion harness, and tune.
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Re: Newbie Prelude buyer. Advice?

Nah don't ruin it with a gay spoiler of any type. If it doesnt have lowering springs on it yet ide get some. Maybe a good tower, upper, and lower strut kit that isnt ebay trash. maybe some JDM yellow HID's but ever since i got my lude ive been dying to get some deep dish rims on it to expirament. but you seem smart i'm sure it will turn out straight however you make the car.
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stay away from the skunk2 manifold... it will not do much for your motor and the install is crazy. Unless you are planning a fully built turbo or n/a motor the skunk2 mani will not offer much performance for the dollar. My advice would be that you stick with the wheels and tires. Or if you want to spen money on performance I would get a tune for your vehicle. This can pe done for around 400 at most and if you spend the extra money and get a Hondata s200 or s300 then you will be set up for further performance modifications... but expect to pay around 1k for the s300, ecu, conversion harness, and tune.
Thanks for the heads up on the Skunk2 manifold man. I'm still new with cars. I know my bits and pieces. If I got az Hondata s200 or s300, what all would I have to do? Where could I get it installed and everything?
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Nah don't ruin it with a gay spoiler of any type. If it doesnt have lowering springs on it yet ide get some. Maybe a good tower, upper, and lower strut kit that isnt ebay trash. maybe some JDM yellow HID's but ever since i got my lude ive been dying to get some deep dish rims on it to expirament. but you seem smart i'm sure it will turn out straight however you make the car.
I just thought that rear window spoiler would give it a different look. If anything I'm taking the stock spoiler off and patching up the holes in the trunk. And it's lowered 3 inches already, so I'm definetly gonna look at struts. And deep dish''s would look pretty good on a prelude. Thanks man.
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Thanks for the heads up on the Skunk2 manifold man. I'm still new with cars. I know my bits and pieces. If I got az Hondata s200 or s300, what all would I have to do? Where could I get it installed and everything?
To start you would need a different ecu. You need to convert to an OBD1 ecu. You have two options here. A p28 or a p72. These are oem honda ecus that are obd1. The advantage of a p72 is that you can keep the dual intake runners on your manifold while the p28 cannot control this. I am personally going with the p28 because it was only 40 bucks and because I am going for top end power (I mainly drag cause thats the only track I can get to in my area) Once you have the ecu (either one will work once tuned) you need to get a conversion harness so the obd1 ecu will plug into your obd2 vehicle.
From here you have two more options (like i talked about before). One is to go to a local tuner and have him chip the obd1 ecu. What this means is the tuner will create an optimal tune for your bolt ons by adjusting the fuel tables. This is the 400 dollar option I was talking about (100 for ecu 50 for harness 250-350 tuning work) Your second option would be to buy the s200 or s300 and shipping hondata your ecu. Hondata will install the s200 or 300 into your ecu and then ship it back to you. Then you would still have to go to a tuner and let him tune the system. The reason the hondata system is better is mostly due to the wide variety of parameters that can be tuned. It also has launch control as well as the ability to add boost control. You can just buy the ecu and hondata combo from them but you might pay a little more.
I have done some research around my local track and have found that a simple chipped ecu is not always worth it and it was suggested to me to just save up and get the hondata.
Beyond getting all these parts, the most important thing to remember when doing an upgrade like tuning is that you need to find someone who knows what they are doing. Call around to any local speed shop and question their experience with tuning and if they have the knowledge to tune a hondata system. Also I believe Hondata has a database of tunners they recommend.

This was just a quick explanation and I dont have all the answers but I hope it helps.
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Re: Newbie Prelude buyer. Advice?

@S13carr:
Thanks man that really, really helps a lot. I think I'm gonna get a new ECU and have Hondata chip it with the s300. It sounds pretty legit. I have a little money to throw into the car, so mind as well do the best I can. Anything else you might suggest I should do after I throw the s300 and have it tuned?
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In my opinion, I would save your cash on these pitty mods and do the maintenance first. Plugs, wires, caps, rotors, tranny oil, engine oil etc... After that, do ECU if you want.
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Thanks man that really, really helps a lot. I think I'm gonna get a new ECU and have Hondata chip it with the s300. It sounds pretty legit. I have a little money to throw into the car, so mind as well do the best I can. Anything else you might suggest I should do after I throw the s300 and have it tuned?
Well you are going to need to put any of your bolt ons before you get the tune so you can get the most out of any part you use. I know I have come across a check list that you need to do before bringing your car for a tune session but I cant remember exactly where (try google i guess).

Of the top of my head however I would recomend getting a cam seal. It is a solid seal that seals the transmission side of the engines cam cap. The factory seal is made of plastic and is very weak and usually leaks at least a small amount of oil. The install is easy and there is a full write up with pics here in our diy section. I went with a blox cam seal and it was like 30 bucks or so.

Other than that you will be pretty set as far as bolt on parts go. Unless you start building the engine internals. I would go with some suspension upgrades or some
OEM+ brake refresh/upgrade.

One bolt on I would suggest for your car is a different exhaust header. The meagen and greddy manifolds are basically shiny oem replacements. If you want the best (as far as headers that are still in production go) I would suggest a bisimoto header. They are about $800 but they are the only headers in production that will produce a good amount of power. And they are sexy.
I am mostly giving these sugestions based on my own plans for my prelude and my research.

"In my opinion, I would save your cash on these pitty mods and do the maintenance first. Plugs, wires, caps, rotors, tranny oil, engine oil etc... After that, do ECU if you want."

I agree with this statement as well. You should not get your engine tuned till all the regular maintenance is taken care of. Plugs would probaly be best along with an oil and tranny oil change. Maybe even flush the radiator, power steering fluid, clutch fluid, and brake fluid. (Not a nessecity) I havent changed my cap or rotor and havent heard about these failing very often but maybe andrewcjdoung knows something i dont. But he is right, maintenance is the first step of a proper project or build.
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Re: Newbie Prelude buyer. Advice?

@andrewcjduong:
Your right bro. I was already planning on doing all that. Thanks for the advice.

@S13carr:
Thanks for explaining all that. It was very helpful. I plan on building this car up right and hopefully find a Prelude club or somethin' out here in Arizona or out in Cali.
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