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H22A type S Swap into BASE

Is this possible? I heard that it only goes into type SH models which have ATTS. If i get a used used in a year or two, its enignes prolly going to die on me. Is a type SH worth it?
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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

not only is it possible its a very easy swap . it came in the bb6 from the factory . not to much work to swap it in .
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not only is it possible its a very easy swap . it came in the bb6 from the factory . not to much work to swap it in .
To swap a type S into a base then (without ATTS), would a enigne shop be able to do it?
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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

you must have an sh for it to work. the type s has atts for it to swap into another car it must have had atts from the factory
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i thought he meant the motor . motor swap easy . atts swap not so easy but it is possible . id rather have a mechanical lsd than atts any day .
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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

The motor portion, yes. The transmission/ATTS unit, not without work. The front suspension is quite a bit different on an SH vs Base.

Base Suspension radius rods bolts directly to LCA


SH bolts directly to hub. You would need to swap SH to Base hub/knuckle, LCAs, sway bar. Possibly more.

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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

Well, i meant just the motor. Does ATTS really make a difference? I'm not sure if you all know this, but i'm from Canada, and was planning on gettings a use prelude SE, which includes leather heated seats and all kinds of goodies. I'd just like to get the type S engine for it. I heard that the engines are different themselves when equiped with ATTS. I'm probably going to get a prelude in a year, adn then preform the swap a few years later. I'm just preparing :)
Would the type S make a feelable difference with the extra horses? (i can also get a limites slip diff with it, is it a good idea?)
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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

yes a type s is a diff you will notice . lsd is also a big diff in traction and cornering
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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

Does anyone know if the canadian prelude SE comes with a lsd?
Would LSD be better than ATTS? (I'm guessing no since it doesn't give more power to the outboard wheel right?)
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I'm orig a 97 Base AUTO with a USDM motor n then swapped a H22A n converted to a 5spd!!!

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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

if u bought a base fifth gen, why not just put basic bolt on upgrades and u'll have the same hp as a type s engine. way cheaper and less head aches. you dont need to fix something that isnt broke, ya know. or just by an SH. if the motor blows on ya then put the type s motor in. How much of a budget u got to buy a lude??
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if u bought a base fifth gen, why not just put basic bolt on upgrades and u'll have the same hp as a type s engine. way cheaper and less head aches. you dont need to fix something that isnt broke, ya know. or just by an SH. if the motor blows on ya then put the type s motor in. How much of a budget u got to buy a lude??
That's what i'm probably going to do, and buy the type S valve cover for looks :)
First i'm going to get it tuned up, and make sure there are no problems. Then get a better header and exhaust (either obx twin loop or something else.) My other goal (as seen in my other thread) is to get a oem front bumper and west wings sides and rear. I'd also like to change the color in the dash, and get mugen pedals. (maybe a s2000 steering wheel). The Canadian SE models come with leather seats, which are heated. That's why i want the SE.
Does ATTS really make a large difference?
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supposedly it makes the car handle great. ive never driven one or been in one. Anytime a car had a limited slip is a lot better. i want one bad. i have heated leather in mine too. in canada thats prob key to have. did u drive one yet? Oh man i fell in love the first time i drove a lude. Thats why i havent gotten rid of mine after all these years. A little advice, If u do an exhaust keep the resonator or get a different one with a nice muffler. She'll sound great. are u looking at 5th gens or 4th gens?
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supposedly it makes the car handle great. ive never driven one or been in one. Anytime a car had a limited slip is a lot better. i want one bad. i have heated leather in mine too. in canada thats prob key to have. did u drive one yet? Oh man i fell in love the first time i drove a lude. Thats why i haven't gotten rid of mine after all these years. A little advice, If u do an exhaust keep the resonator or get a different one with a nice muffler. She'll sound great. are u looking at 5th gens or 4th gens?
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if u bought a base fifth gen, why not just put basic bolt on upgrades and u'll have the same hp as a type s engine. way cheaper and less head aches. you dont need to fix something that isnt broke, ya know. or just by an SH. if the motor blows on ya then put the type s motor in. How much of a budget u got to buy a lude??
If I may argue this...

Bolt-ons do not do very much power wise unless you SPEND MONEY.

Almost every single aftermarket intake provides nothing for your car, the only aftermarket header's that can make a difference cost anywhere from 400-700$ that I have seen. A good exhaust setup will cost another 200-400$ and then to REALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE you will need to convert to OBDI (assuming you are getting a 5th gen for sure) and get a TUNE.
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Does anyone know if the canadian prelude SE comes with a lsd?
Would LSD be better than ATTS? (I'm guessing no since it doesn't give more power to the outboard wheel right?)
It doesnt. It has everything the sh has minus the atts

just get a quaife lsd though its awesome:-P

And then u dont have the harder maintnence of the sh
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Re: H22A type S Swap into BASE

I recently bought a Canadian SE model with the H22A (type-s) engine already in the car. Everything else has the car's original VIN (tranny etc) so obviously it was a pretty straightforward job.

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If I may argue this...

Bolt-ons do not do very much power wise unless you SPEND MONEY.

Almost every single aftermarket intake provides nothing for your car, the only aftermarket header's that can make a difference cost anywhere from 400-700$ that I have seen. A good exhaust setup will cost another 200-400$ and then to REALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE you will need to convert to OBDI (assuming you are getting a 5th gen for sure) and get a TUNE.

I hear ya, everybody knows horsepower isnt cheap. Really aftermarket intakes dont help at all, even with other mods? I never dynoed my car before and after, or seen dyno sheets. They sound cool though haha. I think spending the money on basic air in and out mods maybe cams also will get u near type s power. and the base model is lighter isnt it? I know h22s are fairly strung out from the factory. Is converting to obd 1 really that much of a difference? I never really looked into it. i cant really talk cause i just went type s pistons but my car was shot.
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I hear ya, everybody knows horsepower isnt cheap. Really aftermarket intakes dont help at all, even with other mods? I never dynoed my car before and after, or seen dyno sheets. They sound cool though haha. I think spending the money on basic air in and out mods maybe cams also will get u near type s power. and the base model is lighter isnt it? I know h22s are fairly strung out from the factory. Is converting to obd 1 really that much of a difference? I never really looked into it. i cant really talk cause i just went type s pistons but my car was shot.
No air intakes hardly help at all, I am going to go back to stock intake because I am putting the battery in the back and it was the only thing somewhat blocking the heat from being around my intake. And I want the colder air so I am going back to stock. Type s motors have like 30 horse more than our cars right? lol Basic bolt ons would be lucky to get you over 20 horse. and converting to obd 1 is a huge difference because you can tune it lol. It isnt that much of a difference if you havent done too many mods but if you have it is a huge difference.
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i guess type s is 220 horse says on wikipedia. type s motors are like 3500 or bucks so right ? then how much is an atts system and ecu? OBD 2 is not tunable at all???? i ve been out of the loop for like 4 years, until i started working on my car again and ive been researching again. if u go back to stock air box is there a way to still sound like there is an aftermarket intake? i still have mine i was thinking about ebaying it for some extra money. maybe i'll switch back. keegan how hard is the batt relocation?
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I kinda only want the V2 for the sounds :P

and what is a OB1 exactly?
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obd1 is the preferred ECU for tuning honda's and extracting the most potential power after installing aftermarket parts. It's cheaper and more efficient than trying to tune your OBD2 ecu
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I own a H22A8 prelude without LSD/ATTS, (It's a JDM 220hp H22 detuned to 200hp for the EUDM).
My car is stock except from a K&N drop-in filter, and the performance is almost identical to my friends H22A5 with ATTS (185hp) lude with bolt-ons (Short Ram Intake and 2,5" Invidia catback).

So keep your stock engine but tune it, that gives most bang for your bucks :)

hytech replica manifold, 2,5" cat and back and if you want cooler intake sound a V2 intake, otherwise spend your money getting a Type-S intake.
If you want to go beyond bolt-on stuff, Type-S pistons, flat-faced valves and hotter cams, a tunable ECU... etc, have fun until the money runs out basically :)
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i guess type s is 220 horse says on wikipedia. type s motors are like 3500 or bucks so right ? then how much is an atts system and ecu? OBD 2 is not tunable at all???? i ve been out of the loop for like 4 years, until i started working on my car again and ive been researching again. if u go back to stock air box is there a way to still sound like there is an aftermarket intake? i still have mine i was thinking about ebaying it for some extra money. maybe i'll switch back. keegan how hard is the batt relocation?
If you want ATTS you will have to get an ATTS transmission also, and that will run you between $600-800 and if it does not come with the ATTS unit then I am sure that will be another several hundred dollars also. OBD2 is tunable if you get a unit that connects to it and tells it what to do, I think it is called a standalone unit (idk I am having a bad day give me a break lol) but the reason it is so hard to tune OBD2 is that it was made to try and solve problems itself so it changes your AFR's by readings from the O2 sensor and what not. the stock airbox with a K&N drop in and the resonator removed will sound good but not quite like a ram air or cold air, batt relocation isn't too hard, I am pretty positive there are some writeups on here or other prelude sites on how to do it.

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OBD1 I think you mean and it is a computer like the OBD2 but it does not try to change things itsself like OBD2 does. I am sorry I am trying to put it into as simple terms as I can.
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