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Old 01-24-2011, 05:29 PM
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99 Prelude with blown timing belt - do I?

Buddy has a 99 prelude SH with a little over 105k. He blew the timing belt on the freeway at low rpm. He bought a new element so his Prelude is sitting at home. Well I mentioned I'm looking for a cheap, reliable commuter and he told me to make him an offer.

I was told by my mechanical friends that usually an engine swap is required due to the valve runners being fouled up, seals being bad, etc. Is this true majority of the time?

To add to this, my buddy is working for a Honda wrecking yard so as long as the prelude owner accepts an offer that the wrecking yard would pay me for the car, I can't loose right? But how much money and time would I need to spend to find out if I should sell it to the wrecking yark to part out or keep and spend money on fixes?

I'm looking for some educated input since I've been out of the Honda scene for a while. I'm willing to pay around 1k for the car as-is and cannot afford to spend more than 1500 to get running. Is this feasable?

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Old 01-24-2011, 06:10 PM
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Re: Good or Bad deal

Eh 1500 to get it running? That is going to be very close... You may be able to keep the motor, worst case with keeping the motor:

Bore & Hone ~ $300
New pistons ~ $500-800ish not so sure on this one (make sure they are FRM safe)
Miss. Gaskets and other things ~ $400
Valves ~ $300
Resurfacing ~ $100
Timing belt kit ~ $300
(this is with you doing the work add an extra $1,000-2,000 for a shop to do it lol)
if you dont need new pistons and don't need a bore and dont need all 16 valves you might have a pretty good deal

If head is warped or cracked or anything then your screwed, new motors are usually around your $1500 limit plus is going to be somewhat hard to find.

in summary i would try to get the car for like $500 so you have $2000 to spend on it, then you will be closer to being able to do this.
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Re: Good or Bad deal

My guess, timing belt job and water pump and u'd have a running car. h22's are non interference engines, so the valves dont strike the pistons if they are stuck open. Which would happen if there was no belt in most engines. It happened to me and i just put a new belt on. though worst case, its laid put pretty good. thats also if this dude will sell the car for that cheap. u could buy it fix, sell it then make a profit. sh's are rare.
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My guess, timing belt job and water pump and u'd have a running car. h22's are non interference engines, so the valves dont strike the pistons if they are stuck open. Which would happen if there was no belt in most engines. It happened to me and i just put a new belt on. though worst case, its laid put pretty good. thats also if this dude will sell the car for that cheap. u could buy it fix, sell it then make a profit. sh's are rare.
I am 99% positive that the H22 is an interference engine actually.
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Re: Good or Bad deal

im under the impression that it non interference. see how on the pistons have the divots. open valve can be saved. I shreaded a timing belt took the head off and everything was perfect. maybe im just really lucky. either way the head has to come off that SH.
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Re: Good or Bad deal

Yea you were just lucky. I agree that they are interference.
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i stand corrected then!
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Re: Good or Bad deal

They ABSOLUTELY ARE interference engines!!!

However, I blew my timing belt 2x within a very short time span, and had the automatic tensioner fail on me which caused the cams to skip the teeth on the belt counting for a third time, and the engine/compression/all that stuff is still fine. So yeah, there's a good chance you can have a running car for less than $400 on top of what you spend to purchase it in it's current condition. If you know what you're doing, you can pull off the valve cover and head and inspect everything from the retainers to make sure they're still intact, to the pistons to see if they're scored in any way.

If you get it for 1K and the body and interior are in good shape, you can get $150 for each door, a cool $100-150 for the hood, at least $80 for the trunk and maybe $50 apiece for each bumper cover. The interior you could probably get $150-200 for the seats, etc.. AND if it's a 5 speed transmission, there's PLENTY of folks on here that have an automatic looking to swap to a manual.
There will still be a LOT of parts you could make a profit of on it from the engine too, like the valve cover and spark plug cover, possibly the head (without retainers and cams and stuff), the pulleys, PS pump, alternator, radiator and fans, AC condenser, intake.
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Re: Good or Bad deal

a wrecking yard isnt going to give you near what that car is worth....(if they go by weight as most do, it might be different for a brand specific yard tho)....
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Re: Good or Bad deal

Keep it, check and fix bent valves, water pump, timing belt.. should be all you need plus a headgasket if you must take the head off.
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Re: Good or Bad deal

They are interference motors, but alot of times, people get paranoid that the valves are done for when the timing belt goes and this may be true, but no in all cases. My timing belt went at 70 MPH on my accord and all I needed to do was slap on another. I think it's all about how the internals line up when the belt breaks.
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Re: Good or Bad deal

For the last time.

H22's are not freewheeling engines. They are interferance. If the timing belt snaps or slips there is a VERY GOOD chance that the valves kissed the pistons and bent the valves/valve stems. You may also need to replace timing covers and you may have caused damage to the head or valvetrain parts.

Usually the result is bent valves and indented pistons. If the timing belt snaps and everything is fine and dandy, you are extremely lucky.
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