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Old 01-18-2011, 12:09 AM
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Is my timing project part list over kill?

I will be attempting my first timing belt change this weekend. Majestic Honda was the cheapest, even with my discount at my local Honda they wanted $650 just for parts. You guys think my parts are over kill lol? Well I have a small oil leak coming from the timing part of my engine, i hear the belt flopping around at times, and its about time my lude gets the tender love and care she deserves!

Let me know if I am forgetting any parts!

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14520-P13-013 ADJUSTER, AUTOMATIC $72.19 $72.19
91233-PT0-003 OIL SEAL (27X40X8) (NOK) $5.02 $5.02
15114-PT0-003 GASKET B, OIL PUMP (ARAI) $3.30 $3.30
91212-PAA-A01 OIL SEAL (40X52X7) (NOK) $6.03 $6.03
91213-PR3-004 OIL SEAL (29X43X8) (ARAI) $4.98 $4.98
56992-PDE-E01 BELT, POWER STEERING PUMP (MITSUBOSHI) $13.11 $13.11
38920-P0F-J01 BELT, COMPRESSOR (BANDO) $18.95 $18.95
13405-PT0-004 BELT, BALANCER TIMING (UNITTA) $32.11 $32.11
19200-P13-003 WATER PUMP (YAMADA) $63.70 $63.70
19223-P13-300 RUBBER, WATER PUMP SEAL $2.00 $2.00
19222-P13-300 GASKET, WATER PUMP $2.70 $2.70
14400-P13-014 BELT, TIMING (155YU24 A-555) $49.82 $49.82
13407-P13-000 SPRING B, BELT ADJUSTER $2.18 $2.18
13415-P0A-000 BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER $6.06 $6.06
14510-P13-003 ADJUSTER, TIMING BELT $109.48 $109.48
13404-P13-003 ADJUSTER, BALANCER BELT $51.45 $51.45
11811-P13-A00 SEAL, TIMING BELT RUBBER (LOWER) $30.26 $30.26 - Additional Part possible needed (refrence 06111-P5P-020)
14517-P13-003 gasket $1.32 $1.32 - Additional Part
90051-PT0-000 sub belt adjuster bolt $3.56 $3.56 - Additional Part
06111-P5P-020 Gaskets for side engine $34.51 $34.51 - addon (says discontinued, if avialble remove other related gaskets, majestic says its on backorder no arrival date)
15113-P13-003 Oil gasket a $2.72 $2.72 - Additional Part

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Subtotal $515.05
*Sales Tax: $0.00
**Shipping Charge $34.88
Handling Charge $4.95
Total $554.88
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

i just swapped heads and did all the timing seals, and i didnt pay that much, even with a new head gasket. but i had the same amount or seals and other misc. gaskets when i did mine.

granted, i used felpro and not straight from honda
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

I will do some research on felpro.

Does felpro offer warranty and are the up to OEM specs?

Were you replacing all the parts as I am. The adjuster, pump, belts, etc because those are the ones adding the additional cost.

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its what you get at autozone. if u gave me a day, im sure i could find all my recipts and give you all the numbers and what not

i lied...i cannot find any of them inside, they might all be in the car itself
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

It's all good, I will continue price checking. Anyone else have any suggestions?

I like auto zone but their stuff kinda fails too soon for me. I replaced a auto tensioner on my moms car and within 9-12months it was bad again, and of course they couldn't find the warranty on file. Oh and then one time my gf was driving home from work and the pulley on the water pump snapped off 2 months after I replaced it. I still get most things there but nothing major anymore, no sir re bob!

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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

Bumper to Bumper. Fel-pro does great gaskets.
They shouldn't fail u as long as they are installed correctly.
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

Check out this site, I know it's ebay, but all the parts are genuine Honda parts. It's way cheap and includes eveything.

97-01 HONDA GENUINE PRELUDE TIMING BELT KIT 97-01 OEM - eBay (item 320644544627 end time Feb-16-11 14:26:48 PST)
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

My local Honda dealer advertises the whole timing belt + water pump service for only about $550
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

fel pro gaskets are pretty good.
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

SWITCH TO THE H23 STYLE MANUAL TENSIONER! look it up on here. the auto timing belt tensioners are hydraulic and rely on constant pressure within the unit. this means when the seal inside starts to leak it will lose pressure, loosening the tensioner, and causing engine failure.
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

hey if you can spend it go with OEM thats what i did...the only diffrence for me was the fact that i had a H23A1 and all of that + some other parts only cost me 255.00 @ my honda dealership
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SWITCH TO THE H23 STYLE MANUAL TENSIONER! look it up on here. the auto timing belt tensioners are hydraulic and rely on constant pressure within the unit. this means when the seal inside starts to leak it will lose pressure, loosening the tensioner, and causing engine failure.
I am contemplating on doing the conversion but haven't decided.
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I am contemplating on doing the conversion but haven't decided.
DO IT. 2 auto tensioners busted on me less than 15miles apart from one another last April. All the parts for the manual tensioner swap cost just as much as the auto tensioner alone.
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DO IT. 2 auto tensioners busted on me less than 15miles apart from one another last April. All the parts for the manual tensioner swap cost just as much as the auto tensioner alone.
Did you use OEM tensioners or some other brand? I am just lazy and think the manual will be more guides i have to look for to know how to install it.
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

OEM parts. You can order the whole kit from Import Replacement Parts for like $89. If you get the timing belt from that site too, that'll put you over $100 on the order and you'll get free shipping.

It's really no more difficult than doing the timing job with the auto tensioner. The only thing more you'll need to do is adhere to the tq specs on the new pulley and bearing, and there's a few good write-ups with pictures you can find or I can link for you if you need. But the small bit of extra effort is worth the piece of mind you'll have.
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I will be attempting my first timing belt change this weekend. Majestic Honda was the cheapest, even with my discount at my local Honda they wanted $650 just for parts. You guys think my parts are over kill lol? Well I have a small oil leak coming from the timing part of my engine, i hear the belt flopping around at times, and its about time my lude gets the tender love and care she deserves!

Let me know if I am forgetting any parts!

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14520-P13-013 ADJUSTER, AUTOMATIC $72.19 $72.19
91233-PT0-003 OIL SEAL (27X40X8) (NOK) $5.02 $5.02
15114-PT0-003 GASKET B, OIL PUMP (ARAI) $3.30 $3.30
91212-PAA-A01 OIL SEAL (40X52X7) (NOK) $6.03 $6.03
91213-PR3-004 OIL SEAL (29X43X8) (ARAI) $4.98 $4.98
56992-PDE-E01 BELT, POWER STEERING PUMP (MITSUBOSHI) $13.11 $13.11
38920-P0F-J01 BELT, COMPRESSOR (BANDO) $18.95 $18.95
13405-PT0-004 BELT, BALANCER TIMING (UNITTA) $32.11 $32.11
19200-P13-003 WATER PUMP (YAMADA) $63.70 $63.70
19223-P13-300 RUBBER, WATER PUMP SEAL $2.00 $2.00
19222-P13-300 GASKET, WATER PUMP $2.70 $2.70
14400-P13-014 BELT, TIMING (155YU24 A-555) $49.82 $49.82
13407-P13-000 SPRING B, BELT ADJUSTER $2.18 $2.18
13415-P0A-000 BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER $6.06 $6.06
14510-P13-003 ADJUSTER, TIMING BELT $109.48 $109.48
13404-P13-003 ADJUSTER, BALANCER BELT $51.45 $51.45
11811-P13-A00 SEAL, TIMING BELT RUBBER (LOWER) $30.26 $30.26 - Additional Part possible needed (refrence 06111-P5P-020)
14517-P13-003 gasket $1.32 $1.32 - Additional Part
90051-PT0-000 sub belt adjuster bolt $3.56 $3.56 - Additional Part
06111-P5P-020 Gaskets for side engine $34.51 $34.51 - addon (says discontinued, if avialble remove other related gaskets, majestic says its on backorder no arrival date)
15113-P13-003 Oil gasket a $2.72 $2.72 - Additional Part

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Subtotal $515.05
*Sales Tax: $0.00
**Shipping Charge $34.88
Handling Charge $4.95
Total $554.88

I'm not sure what seals they are. But if you don't already have them on that list. I would add the front main seal, both cam seals. Plus I didn't see the valve cover gasket kit.

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OEM parts. You can order the whole kit from Import Replacement Parts for like $89. If you get the timing belt from that site too, that'll put you over $100 on the order and you'll get free shipping.

It's really no more difficult than doing the timing job with the auto tensioner. The only thing more you'll need to do is adhere to the tq specs on the new pulley and bearing, and there's a few good write-ups with pictures you can find or I can link for you if you need. But the small bit of extra effort is worth the piece of mind you'll have.
I don't trust the Import car parts places, I got the right water pump but none of the other parts were for the 97 Prelude (base) they were actually for the 96 fourth Gen. I guess it was just a mix up in there computer but still it was a hassle and I don't do parts with those types of places not to mention I got one cam seal and the other had to be ordered so when it came in, I matched them up they had the same part number but by just looking at them you could see the OD (outer diameter) was larger on one of them.

Don't trust them

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I'm not sure what seals they are. But if you don't already have them on that list. I would add the front main seal, both cam seals. Plus I didn't see the valve cover gasket kit.
Already have valve gasket, spark gaskets, cam seals, and the gaskets for the bolts of the vc.

I don't know what the front main seal is, but listed as many seals/gaskets i seen on that side of the engine.
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Just a thing I like to replace doing a timing belt job as they tend to leak over time. Plus if your not careful removing it, might leak forever even with a new seal.
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Just a thing I like to replace doing a timing belt job as they tend to leak over time. Plus if your not careful removing it, might leak forever even with a new seal.
Aw man I already have a small leak that annoys me I don't need another because I actually replaced a gasket..main seal is behind the crank pulley right?

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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

MANY people on this site alone have done business through IRP with nothing but great reviews and I'm one of them. Here's the direct link to the conversion kit;

Manual Tensioner Conversion Kit for H22A Series Engines :: Timing Belt Tensioner :: Belts :: Import Replacement Parts

If you're leaking behind the timing belt cover it could be the balance shaft seal retainer. You can get another one cheap, but only from the dealer directly unless you're lucky.
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With using the manual tensioner do you use the regular timing & balance belts for the h22?

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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

Yes. I think the H22 timing belt is a 155 tooth. If you can get lucky and find a 156 tooth belt, it'd be easier to fit, but I think they were only on EDM Accords. Needless to say I didn't find one. The 155 tooth is a tighter fit but it works just as well.
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Old 01-22-2011, 01:38 AM
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

91233-PT0-003 OIL SEAL (27X40X8) (NOK) $5.02
15114-PT0-003 GASKET B, OIL PUMP (ARAI) $3.30
91212-PAA-A01 OIL SEAL (40X52X7) (NOK) $6.03
91213-PR3-004 OIL SEAL (29X43X8) (ARAI) $4.98
56992-PDE-E01 BELT, POWER STEERING PUMP (MITSUBOSHI) $13.11
38920-P0F-J01 BELT, COMPRESSOR (BANDO) $18.95
13405-PT0-004 BELT, BALANCER TIMING (UNITTA) $32.11
19200-P13-003 WATER PUMP (YAMADA) $63.70
19223-P13-300 RUBBER, WATER PUMP SEAL $2.00
19222-P13-300 GASKET, WATER PUMP $2.70
14400-P13-014 BELT, TIMING (155YU24 A-555) $49.82
11811-P13-A00 SEAL, TIMING BELT RUBBER (LOWER) $30.26
14517-P13-003 GASKET $0.92
90051-PT0-000 BOLT, SUB-BELT ADJUSTER SPRING $3.56
15113-P13-003 GASKET A, OIL PUMP (ARAI) $2.72
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Subtotal $239.18
*Sales Tax: $0.00
**Shipping Charge $17.29
Handling Charge $4.95
Total $261.42

add manual tensioner kit $89 + $12.35 USPS Priority = $101.35

Total job = 362.77

Any tips I will need to perform this job while the engine is in the vehicle?
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Re: Is my timing project part list over kill?

Is the H22 balancer shaft seal retainer necessary and where is the product number listed I don't see in on majestic anywhere.
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