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Old 01-13-2011, 04:46 PM
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Okay so I have to rebuild my motor, my mechanic did a leak down test on my engine, and cylinder 1 leaks 25% 2 80% 3 90% and 4 95% so I am actually losing more air than im keeping lol, my mechanic said it was the piston rings so I am working on taking off my head, im pretty close and I wanted to get some opinions on MLS head gaskets an whether or not I should resurface my head and block, id rather not have to get my block resurfaced because i want to keep it in my lude and dont want to tow anywhere. So any opinions would be good, ill put up pics once i get the head off, hopefully today! Wow this is really long, ill save some of my other questions for later lol. BTW 98 SH 135k miles.

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yeah thats great lol, i guess after you take off the head taking out the block isnt too much more work is it? lol

thanks for the response, what rings and bearings would you recommend if the bearings need to be replaced?
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yeah thats great lol, i guess after you take off the head taking out the block isnt too much more work is it? lol

thanks for the response, what rings and bearings would you recommend if the bearings need to be replaced?
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Re: Rebuild Questions?

Sounds good, hopefully its not too pricey lol.

I also have another question do you have to take off the side engine mount to take off the head or is that just to change your timing belt, and since I am going to be changing the timing belt also where exactly do you put the jack stand that you put down there after taking off the engine mount?
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Idk if that makes any sense, but if it does please reply :P lol
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Re: Rebuild Questions?

put a jack under the oil pan but use a board to help displace the presure
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Thank you :)

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some1 else asked this question. here is the link Easiest way to remove intake manifold?
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haha shoulda searched, sorry and thank you
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No prob. i never done it b4 but heard its a major pain so good luck
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Re: Rebuild Questions?

I got it lol, and now there is a new problem, I have the 98 Type SH and it looks like the oil pan is under part of the transmission anyone know how to get off the oil pan? and is it like this in the base also?

Everyday I am wishing I just got a freaking base, I want to have the pistons out now lol
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Re: Rebuild Questions?

Not sure bout the SH or the ATTS cause i got a base but u could go look at the manual and see if u can figure it out. heres a link to where u can download the manual for free. Honda / Acura Manuals - Hondahookup.com
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just found in tha manual where u remove the ATTS unit. in chapter 15 starting on pg. 69
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yea i just copied whats n the manual cause im bored.
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Haha thank you :P already have like half that stuff removed, but really this is gay :P if the oil pan was 1 inch less long then i wouldnt have to remove half of that stuff. i already started downloading that manual but im only downloaded up to chapter 13 before i stopped lol. thanks a lot man, probably wouldnt have even gotten my head off by now if it wasnt for you, ill have more pictures from my rebuild in a little :)
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yea man gota love Honda engineering. lookin forward to pics
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Re: Rebuild Questions?

sorry haven't got any new pics yet, but i have new questions! lol I will post pics once i get time to take off this oil pan and push out this pistons. 2 new questions

i want to know if anyone has used the skunk2 one piece forged valves (standard compression) with the skunk2 tuner series valve springs and not used the titanium retainers?

Other question is about honing, i found this link about it FRM Honing and I was wondering if i would be okay doing a really quick hone with just some 280 grit honer I get from like sears then finish it with a 400 grit hone (also from like sears lol) would I be fine? thanks

And I read this article on how to break in your new motor and I thought it did a really good gob of explaining it. just thought i would share engine break in
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Ok far as Honing the cylinders tha best bet is to take it to a machine shop. I heard Porsche uses similar cylinder walls and would be able to hone ur block. idk bout valves but might as well while ur at it get the titanium retainers...might be over kill but i would hate to half-a$$ it.
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Yeah ill see if I can borrow some money to get the titanium retainers, and I would rather not take the block out so I think im gonna end up honing my walls myself, and im in a small city in idaho it might be close to having a shop do it, im just gonna do a pretty light hone.
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This way later I can just pull off my valve cover and slap some skunk2 stage 2 or 3 tuner series cams and drive on over to a tuner and get this little beast tuned
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Got some pics now,

This is right after i got my head off


Just noticed this a little bit ago, is this a junk yard head? lol


Here is my head
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Who puts engine parts on nice bright carpet lol
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Haha nice bright carpet? I have had this carpet since I was like 4 and I have spilled paint all over it, caught it on fire and lots of other stuff has happened on that carpet, I have been bust so I havent got much work done and I am having trouble getting off the oil pan on the SH it is under the transmisson, the instructions you sent me was for how to take off atts unit, I dont want to take off the atts unit just the oil pan :P
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Re: Rebuild Questions?

Do not hone it yourself. Unless done in an automated honing machine, honing (by hand) takes experience and skill. And you don't just need to hone it, you need to hone it so the cylinder walls have the right RA and you need to put in the correct crosshatch so the new rings will seat properly.

Just send it to a machine shop.

EDIT: And, according to common sense and the latest AERA bulletin, you cannot hone FRM cylinders with regular honing stones and you cannot use honing oil. You must use silicon carbide honing "stones" with a silicon paste to hone it. There is also exact honing pressure and strokes/cycle specifications you must meet, as well as putting in a 60 degree crosshatch. Which you will not be able to do by hand, not without way more skill than you most likely have.


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Okay well I am taking out my block and having a machine shop hone it. And I have a couple questions.

Couple questions, anyone know how to take out the valve seats out?

And should you replace your master or slave cylinders if your replacing your clutch even if they are in working order before you replace your clutch, and what seals/o-rings you should replace when you are replacing your clutch.
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Yes u should replace master cylinder and slave if u doing clutch job. just saves u tha trouble mostly cause its not expensive and should be done by tha time u need to replace ur clutch. also if ur replacing ur clutch i highly recommend getting rid of the rubber damper for the hydraulic clutch line with a SS one. link -> Techna-Fit | Clutch Lines also it would be good to replace your rear main seal.
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Thank you, and I just bought the Exedy Stage 1 clutch and the Fidanza aluminum 8 pound Flywheel from gripforce clutches on ebay because I have only heard good things about them and it only cost me $415 :P they gave me a good deal!

Figured out how to take the valve seats out but looks like I might just take it to a machine shop to have them do it...

Thinking about getting the skunk2 high compression forged valves but want to do some more research before I decide about them, should be taking the block out on monday and getting it honed on wednesday or thursday, ordering all the parts i need by wednesday and having it all put back together sunday the 20th hopefully if everything goes to plan.
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Sweet nice set up i got the exedy stage 1 clutch also and hav only heard good things bout Fidanza flywheels. Sounds like ur working things out, looking foward to seeing this done.
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So am I! Here is my list of everything I have bought or am going to buy, someone tell me if I am forgetting anything please.

Clutch - bought
Flywheel - bought
head bolts - bought
intake gasket - bought
throttle body gasket - bought
exhaust gasket - bought
cam seal - bought
spark plug seals - bought
cherry picker - borrowed
simple green - $10?
Valves - $300
Retainers -210
Seats - $40
Rings - $130
Timing Belt - $314
Honing - $100-150?
oil orface o-ring - $2
Liquid Gasket - $10
oil pan gasket - $7?
head & block resurfacing - $100?
oil - $25?
oil filter - $5
Coolant $25?
Intake gasket - $7
fuel rail washer - $2
Fuel line 0ring - $3
crank pulley holder tool - $50
head gasket - $53
engine mount - $68 (one is bent lol)
flywheel bolts - $21
engine holder - $60
Clutch line - $30
rear main seal - $5
Master and slave cylinder = $55

I know its a lot to look though but I want to make sure I haven't forgotten anything and its a lot of stuff to remember lol
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Update, I want to pull the motor this weekend. I have ran into a lot of problems lately, mainly trying to get my axle nuts off. Now I am having trouble getting off the ball joints, I think I am going to need a bigger hammer because I am hammering the crap out of them and nothing is really happening. I have almost all the parts I need, I just need to get that motor out of there!

My valves and titanium retainers just came today I got the high compression valves and I weighed them and my stock valves and the high compression valves are 1 3/4 ounces and the stock valves are 1 7/8 ounces. So I am definitely not concerned with the weight of the high compression valves as a problem and I am excited to see how they work out. I also weighed the stock retainers and the titanium retainers just for fun. Stock ones were 1/2 an ounce and titanium ones are 1/4 an ounce. I keep getting excited because of all the new parts but I am not making much progress in getting that motor out of my car.
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