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NEED HELP BLOWN MOTOR

ok so i put my ride in the shop and the shop machined down my crankshaft 10/20 (what does that mean) they replaced my thrust bearings and thrust washers . i payed $2400 and i got the car back and put about 200 miles and threw a rod through my block. anyone have any idea what could of happened?????????
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need more info man...what kinda motor was it?, how many miles? , why did u bring it to the shop in the first place, what were they suppose to fix?


all i know is for $1795 u could of got a used JDM H22A w/ tranny and everything...so not sure why u payed $2400 for a shop to fix it
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Re: NEED HELP BLOWN MOTOR

sorry it was a h22a4 with about 135,000 miles on it . i think the original problem ended up being i spun a rod bearing or something. the guy told me he had to work the bottom end of the motor. it ws his professional opinion that he work the bottom end instead of replacing the motor since it wasnt in that bad of shape.
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my car is a 5th gen base model with auto tranny
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take it back to the shop. he messed it up, so he should put a new motor in it or give you your money back. period
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Re: NEED HELP BLOWN MOTOR

he wont admit he ****ed up but he did agree to do the labor for free i just have to come up with a short block. but im thinkin of findin a whole new motor what kinds will my 2000 take?
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by 2000 i meant my 2000 honda prelude
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any h22 will fit. unless it's from an SH.

97-01 h22A4 is what I'd stick with.
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im having trouble finding a h22a4 at a decent price. what else would i need to get or change out to run a h22a in it?
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H22A4, H22A (JDM Type-S motor) Euro-R H22A (JDM Accord Type-R motor). The Euro-R is 220HP and 163TQ. The Type-S is basically the same as the Euro-R, and H22A4 is what you've got now.
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yea have to agree should be fixed free even if it was a damaged rod he should've caught it when doing the bottom end work. It is very unlikely that this is not shops fault. 200 MILES really.
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screw that! the original problem was supposed to be fixed and he didnt fix it! Make him do all the work over and then sell it because you dont know what kind of short cuts he made.
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...it was his professional opinion that he work the bottom end instead of replacing the motor since it wasn't in that bad of shape.
More like it was about the same cost to you vs replacing the entire engine, but pays more to him because a rebuild is mostly labor costs. Take it back and make him fix it
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Take it back and make him buy you another motor cause im pretty sure you had warrenty on it.. $2400 you could have got an H22A with some goodies..
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whats the normal cost for labor on putting a motor in?
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hes trying to say that i drove it to hard cause he said there is a break in period where i shouldnt drive above 50 mph for about a 1000 miles. hes not flat out sayng its my fault but thats what he is trying to lead on.
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hes trying to say that i drove it to hard cause he said there is a break in period where i shouldnt drive above 50 mph for about a 1000 miles. hes not flat out sayng its my fault but thats what he is trying to lead on.
if this wasn't expressed to you in writing, he doesn't have a leg to stand on. he did the job poorly. either he took out too much material from the crank or it wasn't done evenly, or the wrong size bearings were used. any way you look at it, he's at fault.
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More like it was about the same cost to you vs replacing the entire engine, but pays more to him because a rebuild is mostly labor costs. Take it back and make him fix it
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hes trying to say that i drove it to hard cause he said there is a break in period where i shouldnt drive above 50 mph for about a 1000 miles. hes not flat out sayng its my fault but thats what he is trying to lead on.
Did he inform you of the break-in period? For $2400 I hope he did. If so, did you respect the break-in period?

The whole thing is that you could go to small claims court and win your money back but with a situation like this that is more of he-said-she-said than hardcore evidence I'm not sure if it is worth the time and effort to sue.

$2400 for only replacing washers, bearings and machine the crank + labor seems steep to me. They did they machine the block in any way (resurface, hone, etc)? Did they replace the piston rings? Can you scan the invoice and post it up?

Also, you have an auto transmission. They are widely known to fail suddenly and will cost you some serious $ in the future. IMO the only option for your car from the beginning was to get a JDM 5-speed manual transmission and do the swap. An auto to manual swap might run you about $3000 if you pay a shop to do everything. An engine swap might cost about $1000. These are variable numbers that can change drastically depending on circumstances but still give a general idea.

I really hate to be the one that says this but in a best case scenario you would get most of your $ back, sell your car and buy a 5 speed. Or, get the shop to do the auto->manual swap for super cheap.

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hes trying to say that i drove it to hard cause he said there is a break in period where i shouldnt drive above 50 mph for about a 1000 miles. hes not flat out sayng its my fault but thats what he is trying to lead on.
That is always a sign of someone who didn't necesarily do something wrong but knows they could have done something to prevent it. So I can drive in 2nd gear for a thousancd miles if I don't exceed 50 mph???? Hmmmm

The whole theory of it screwed up after a shop touched it makes them to blame is usually what people jump to. And really, in this case, it could be legitimate because doing crank work warrants removing the rods that one of which let go. But at any rate. I would not want him to fix it. Screw that! I would want my money for the labor returned. There is no proven reason he should take back the parts used but he needs to stand behind his labor. I would try and get the labor returned and take your money elsewhere.
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hes trying to say that i drove it to hard cause he said there is a break in period where i shouldnt drive above 50 mph for about a 1000 miles. hes not flat out sayng its my fault but thats what he is trying to lead on.
What Im sayin is, Did he inform you of the break-in period? If it was so important then why was that not the FIRST thing he said to you after doing all that work? If he didn't then it is completely on him. On the flipside, Just be patient with finding a motor though dude...Don't rush through it and get another bad one that might last a couple thousand miles and then do the same thing.
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i bet he put a wrong size bearing in, honda made like 5 different sizes for the same motor

did he do all bearings new ? if not look at the ones he did replace and look at the old once and see if they have a different colour on the ends

im not 100% but i believe they came black ,green, red, yellow, thats the ones i remember off the top of my head

but either way id be getting his shop to pay for a new engine and installed ( not by him )

if he is the owner or they say no take them to court , they ****ed up something along the way
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I had a Laser years ago and Dodge had a recall on them. They had to go into the block and do something....can't remember what. Well, after the did their recall work 1,000 miles later the engine went. I called them back and they gave me the same line about "We will do the labor for free". I said BS!!! I told them I was lawyering up to sue them for a new engine and filing a claim with the Better Business Bureau. THEY PAID FOR THE WHOLE THING!
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since there was damage to the crank he said they had to resize the rod or rods im not sure. the funny thing is that he sent the items to a machine shop he uses.he didnt machine them himself. this is a huge cluster**** but i more than appreciate all the feedback im getting from all of you. i was completely lost prior to all of your help. now i have some idea of a defense i can use when he trys to say its my fault.
back to the discussion. i will get the invoice from my dad tomorrow and get it scanned and posted for yal.

if he machined the crank and resized the rods is there a chance he could have resized them wrong???? if so would that make it throw a rod?

he told me the original damage he worked was a different cylinder than the one it threw a rod in after the 200 miles...
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i would do the court thing and try to get your money back, then with that buy a JDM H22 with the tranny and everything
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since there was damage to the crank he said they had to resize the rod or rods im not sure. the funny thing is that he sent the items to a machine shop he uses.he didnt machine them himself. this is a huge cluster**** but i more than appreciate all the feedback im getting from all of you. i was completely lost prior to all of your help. now i have some idea of a defense i can use when he trys to say its my fault.
back to the discussion. i will get the invoice from my dad tomorrow and get it scanned and posted for yal.

if he machined the crank and resized the rods is there a chance he could have resized them wrong???? if so would that make it throw a rod?

he told me the original damage he worked was a different cylinder than the one it threw a rod in after the 200 miles...
doesn't matter if it was a different cylinder, he had the whole damn thing appart. which means he used the wrong bearings, old bearings or just didn't install everything to the right torque specs. this guy is at fault. lawyer up man. he owes you a new motor.
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Yeah, when you are working on the crank that affects EVERY cylinder not just the one with the issue. He "worked" with all of them regardless of what he is telling you. He is just trying to get you to take the hit instead of him!
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doesn't matter if it was a different cylinder, he had the whole damn thing appart. which means he used the wrong bearings, old bearings or just didn't install everything to the right torque specs. this guy is at fault. lawyer up man. he owes you a new motor.
Not only lawyer up but start threatening him with the better business bureau (BBB) and that you're going to post his shop name and number on Prelude and Honda website's so that people will be warned about his crap ass work ethic and his unwillingness to stand behind his work. Please list his name, shop name, location and phone number so others won't fall into the same pit.
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I just got my 2000 SH back from a total engine re manufacture. I asked about breaking it in specifically. The machinist said that the factory parts are so good that that all I needed to do was take it easy for awhile and change the oil on schedule. He's been doing this for over forty years. twenty five years ago he put together a racing motor for me that was sweet.

Your guy screwed it up. There should be no difference in rebuilt your motor than driving one new off the lot.

If he won't fix it see him in small claims court. Have several quotes in your hand from different shops to show the judge what your damages are.
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