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Old 12-25-2010, 02:40 PM
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5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

I've got the classic rattles in the rear, maybe more prevelant when cold. I've been told that Honda had issued a TSB addressing a busing upgrade or change-out that might minimize if not eliminate this rattling.

Anybody familiar with the actual source? Once it's determined where it's coming from, does it make sense to upgrade all bushing with well lubed energy suspension bushings or just the stock equivelant replacements?

I'm really only only interested in getting rid of the little bit of noise I've got now when I run over bumps or washboard in the road.

Any leads or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! V1
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

try lubing them with white grease ,or look under the body and make sure the bushing is still there.
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

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I've got the classic rattles in the rear, maybe more prevelant when cold. I've been told that Honda had issued a TSB addressing a busing upgrade or change-out that might minimize if not eliminate this rattling.

Anybody familiar with the actual source? Once it's determined where it's coming from, does it make sense to upgrade all bushing with well lubed energy suspension bushings or just the stock equivelant replacements?

I'm really only only interested in getting rid of the little bit of noise I've got now when I run over bumps or washboard in the road.

Any leads or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! V1
The rear knock you are talking about is TSB 090. If you have stock struts still there is a part for them I could sell you because I have Konis.

If your after reduced noise, you do not want polyurethane bushings.
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

Just had the car on the lift for an oil change. Spent some time under the rear end. All bushings present and accounted for. At 106k everything looks pretty good, but something is making a rattling noise when you hit a bump in the road. I'd be interested in learning about TSB 090. In the mean time, I guess I could just soak everything I can see with a good quality penetrating lubricant to bring some relief to the dried and hardened stock bushings and their metal interfaces. I just saw a lube on the show Gears that comes highly recommended. It's 3 letters, white can red letters....SRP? I'll have to google it. It's recommended uses are as a penetrating oil that frees up rusted assys. and has the staying power of a deep penetrating lubricant.

Would much rather find the stock parts that are the source of the noise and just fix it right.
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

dont grease your stock rubber bushings, especially with penetrating oil. look inside the trunk....
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

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dont grease your stock rubber bushings, especially with penetrating oil. look inside the trunk....
I'll look inside the trunk at your advice. E-Money, do you have the new or replacement bushings that TSB 090 calls for the replacement of? Understand not using the poly bushings. I built a Monster truck and used all poly bushings, however all the ones that mattered were fitted with grease fittings. Those that weren't, got a liberal coating of moly based grease before installation to make sure they didn't creek over time. Wanted to tighten the suspension up as much as possible as I was running over 8"m of lift over 38" tall tires. Message recieved. Thanks.
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

What is wrong with using polly bushings?
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

Polyurethane bushings, like Energy Suspension bushings, are a much harder durometer, or hardness compared to a more ordinary rubber composition bushing that is used in stock applications. Being harder, they tend to work harden and glaze on the surface rubbing against metal and tend to groan and squeak over time. Most poly bushing kits instruct you to grease them as you install them. Some, for sway bars for example, often are fitted with a grease fitting so you can periodically grease them to help keep them working smoothly and prevent them from glazing and making noise.
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

Your rattle may be the large support brace under the rear seat. If you lift the rear seat, check the bolts, I bet you will find some loose. Take them out and use loctite when reinstalling. I replaced my shock bushings and did not stop the rattle. Removed the support brace, cleaned up area, reinstalled with loctite, rattles gone. Cost you nothing to try.
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Your rattle may be the large support brace under the rear seat. If you lift the rear seat, check the bolts, I bet you will find some loose. Take them out and use loctite when reinstalling. I replaced my shock bushings and did not stop the rattle. Removed the support brace, cleaned up area, reinstalled with loctite, rattles gone. Cost you nothing to try.
Thanks for the heads-up! Never gave the seat brace a thought. Now that you mention it, it sure sounds like the noise I hear is coming from the rear seat, right rear sail panel area! Wouldn't that be sweet, loctite and re-torque some bolts and problem solved. That'd be awesome.

Thanks again for the suggestion. I may get into it tomorrow. Got the dash torn apart tonight changing the cabin filters and trying to finish backlighting my HVAC panel in blue LED's from Superbright. My speedo and tach turned out awesome. Once the temp. control panel is out, along with the head unit, I'll be waiting on the postman for the balance of LED's I ordered. While I'm waiting, I'll install my Kenwood head unit, Sirius/XM and JL 6x9's in the rear. Hope I can reach the stuff under the package tray through the back seat folded down. I'm fairly large at 6'3" 230. Don't fit well in the trunk.

I'm going to remove the factory amp and speakers of course. I'm wondering if the speaker grills remove from the top? Hope I can re-use them with the new speakers. I've already installed Pyle tri-axials in the front doors.

Once I'm done tightening up the interior, (my holiday project), it's back under the hood to add an oil filter relocation kit with oil cooler, Magen strut tower brace, Mugen header and catch cans for both the pcv and valve cover vent that vents into the CAI pipe. Plan to collect up the oily mist that otherwise makes it into the intake and CAI using catch cans.

Spring time I want to install either Skunk stage 1 or Kelford cams, and then a good dyno tune here at JE Import Performance.
Didn't mean to ramble...
Thanks again for the suggestion to look at the rear upper seat support..Hope you're right. I'll try and remember to get back to you and let you know what I found out.

Thanks again! V1
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Re: 5th Gen Lude Rattles, TSB for fix?

TSB 090 are collars for both struts. get to them from the trunk. if you want them you can have them...
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E-Money. Cheap insurance. I'll take them. Let me pay the freight. Let me know how much so you can ship them.
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E-Money. Cheap insurance. I'll take them. Let me pay the freight. Let me know how much so you can ship them.
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