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How to reduce burning oil

I've been reading some of the thread about prelude burning oil and I found out that most people agree that H22 engine will drink up the engine oil. Well since I can't do anything about the H22 engine drinking up the oil since it's meant to do that. How can I reduce the amount of oil burnt? BTW i have a 97 base prelude
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i have a prelude sh 1997 and it drinks oil like liter a week, i started using Lucas heavy duty oil stabilizer and that slowed down oil burning to like 1 liter every 4 weeks, i started using a product called ENGINE RESTORER and that helped seal my pistons and increased compression and with these 2 things which will cost u like $20 ull slow down oil burning like a mad man. and use 5w-30.

EDIT: i heard the JDM motors dont burn oil just the USDM motors do, o well i dont have $1500 for a jdm motor
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i have a prelude sh 1997 and it drinks oil like liter a week, i started using Lucas heavy duty oil stabilizer and that slowed down oil burning to like 1 liter every 4 weeks, i started using a product called ENGINE RESTORER and that helped seal my pistons and increased compression and with these 2 things which will cost u like $20 ull slow down oil burning like a mad man. and use 5w-30.

EDIT: i heard the JDM motors dont burn oil just the USDM motors do, o well i dont have $1500 for a jdm motor
all h's burn oil. its the FRM cylinder walls. only differance between the h22a and h22a4 are the JDM version has a 10.6:1 CR instead of the 10:1 of the USDM
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Re: How to reduce burning oil

Any motor can burn oil due to the fact of bad valve seals, worn valve guides, a clogged pcv valve or breather system, or blow by from worn piston rings.
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Would this effect the speed of the vehicle?
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dont smash the gas pedal, you wont burn as much oil
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Any motor can burn oil due to the fact of bad valve seals, worn valve guides, a clogged pcv valve or breather system, or blow by from worn piston rings.
Surprisingly, even at 106k on my H22 the valvetrain is solid, valve guides and seals are in relatively good shape as by Japanese design all motor tolerances are built to the low side of the nominal range. This is done for longevity and dependability over the long haul. Vtec helps suck its fair share of oil too.

Interestingly, I bought a take-off valve cover for my '00 Lude and had it custom powder coated. Removing the old one and studying the new one showed me how poorly baffled the valve cover vent, (plummed directly into the intake stream), and the PCV pulls oil mist right into the intake as well.

Recently, I started researching the potential benefit of oil mist / air seperators that get plummed into these two points of crankcase evacuation so little to none of the oil laden mist makes it into the throttle body and/or the intake.

Initial thoughts are that the use of the oily mist / air seperators can only help keep the oil out of the intake charge and minimize if not eliminate the perceived excessive oil use by these motors.

At 106k, I'll typically go through approx. 1/2 - 3/4 court of oil. I'm in the process of putting my parts list together and plan to plumb in oil mist / air seperators in both spots. The collection can will tell all and if the sooty residue on the bumper clears up, that's another added extra benefit.

For no more than it'll cost me, I think it's a worthwile investment.

Granted, the FRM cylinder wall coating is going to be a problem until you bore it out and replace with more traditional sleeves, pistons and rings. And high mileage engines with excessive blow bye may be a lost cause. I know several guys with both Asian and American cars that have benefitted from these oily mist / air seperators.

I'll give it a try and report back to the forum how much of a difference it makes, good or bad.

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Surprisingly, even at 106k on my H22 the valvetrain is solid, valve guides and seals are in relatively good shape as by Japanese design all motor tolerances are built to the low side of the nominal range. This is done for longevity and dependability over the long haul. Vtec helps suck its fair share of oil too.

Interestingly, I bought a take-off valve cover for my '00 Lude and had it custom powder coated. Removing the old one and studying the new one showed me how poorly baffled the valve cover vent, (plummed directly into the intake stream), and the PCV pulls oil mist right into the intake as well.

Recently, I started researching the potential benefit of oil mist / air seperators that get plummed into these two points of crankcase evacuation so little to none of the oil laden mist makes it into the throttle body and/or the intake.

Initial thoughts are that the use of the oily mist / air seperators can only help keep the oil out of the intake charge and minimize if not eliminate the perceived excessive oil use by these motors.

At 106k, I'll typically go through approx. 1/2 - 3/4 court of oil. I'm in the process of putting my parts list together and plan to plumb in oil mist / air seperators in both spots. The collection can will tell all and if the sooty residue on the bumper clears up, that's another added extra benefit.

For no more than it'll cost me, I think it's a worthwile investment.

Granted, the FRM cylinder wall coating is going to be a problem until you bore it out and replace with more traditional sleeves, pistons and rings. And high mileage engines with excessive blow bye may be a lost cause. I know several guys with both Asian and American cars that have benefitted from these oily mist / air seperators.

I'll give it a try and report back to the forum how much of a difference it makes, good or bad.

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Sounds interesting. ...oh another thing, honda used the FRM sleeve design because the frm sleeves are stronger, take more abuse and have better heat transfer (which takes the heat of combustion away from the pistons through the rings, an transfers it to the block where it can be dissapated). Becuase the ceramic infusion of the sleeves, they are able to transfer the heat more efficiently than iron sleeves. Note the engine models that the frm were initially used in, high performance, high revving engines......that produce a lot of heat......another thought. So it's actually the rings that go bad causing the oil to burn badly lol.
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i love how people still think its the frm that causes the oil burning. used engines are gonna eventually need rings. not even honda motors last forever.
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Sounds interesting. ...oh another thing, honda used the FRM sleeve design because the frm sleeves are stronger, take more abuse and have better heat transfer (which takes the heat of combustion away from the pistons through the rings, an transfers it to the block where it can be dissapated). Becuase the ceramic infusion of the sleeves, they are able to transfer the heat more efficiently than iron sleeves. Note the engine models that the frm were initially used in, high performance, high revving engines......that produce a lot of heat......another thought. So it's actually the rings that go bad causing the oil to burn badly lol.
So with that being said, how many miles does it take for the rings to go bad? What range is what im really asking. I know that their are alot of factors that go into it such as regular oil maintence. but say the engine has been in great care. Between what range of miles would the oil consumption reach and abnormal rate due to bad rings?

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Would this effect the speed of the vehicle?
Iv'e read somewhere that oil mixing in with your fuel air mixture affects the octane level of your gas making it less effective. So in short, I would think so.
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Re: How to reduce burning oil

A valve adjustment could help with burning oil, so could installing an oil catch can to stop the excess oil that makes it up through the baffles of your valve cover when you're gettin' on the gas.
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201k miles and I leak/burn 1 quart of 10w30 every 5k miles. Excessive oil burners should consider 15w40 Rotella to slow the consumption a little
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Maybe the valve seals are worn? Does it smoke on start up?
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Thicker oil is never a good solution to consumption. Your engine isn't designed for heavy oil like that.
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i love how people still think its the frm that causes the oil burning. used engines are gonna eventually need rings. not even honda motors last forever.
it is mostly the frm. and yes, youre still correct about parts wearing out. but because the frm is so tough, its easier for oil to sneak by
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just save up and rebuild your motor and continue to do maintenance and dont rag your car
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Maybe the valve seals are worn? Does it smoke on start up?
Well it smokes from the exhaust when idling.
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If it smokes from the exhaust when idling, I'd be more inclined to believe you have a significant ring sealing / blow-by issue. Have you done a compression test yet?

Typically, valve seals and valve guide wear that is allowing oil to leak by is more visible going down the road when you let off the gas, (vacum is high and the pull from the pistons going to the bottom of their bores,) and the vacum they create when doing so, pulls the oil past the leaky valve seals and guides and burns the oil then. That's when it's most visible if it's valve train related.

The only other time you'll notice oil smoke from worn valve seals/guides is on the first start up of the day. They're will be quite a bit of oil smoke from oil that leaked passed the valves out of the head into the cylinders to the pistons. On initial fire up, this oil will burn off causing a blue cloud indicating oil is being burned.

Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but it's inevitable for all of us over time. A slightly heavier viscosity oil, (say 10w 30 for example), may slow the burning process but you're only buying time one quart at a time, and stay out of Vtec as much as possible.

I'd have a compression test done to determine the root cause and address it from there. If it's not the rings/pistons and you need the head overhauled, that's a lot cheaper than rebuilding the whole motor. On the other hand, if a compression test and leak down test indicate the bottom end is worn, it may be time to start planning, (saving), for a motor rebuild.

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Re: How to reduce burning oil

i just changed my oil yesterday, used 5W-30 and used that Engine Restore stuff and i can already tell a difference in the way my engine runs. increased compression and i have much better acceleration. this sh*t is gold!! i still stall at red lights if my ac isn't running but i think that's due to me needing a valve adjustment, bad.... anyways, thanks for the info!!
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I added a quart of Lucas Synthetic Oil Stabilizer to my engine about two weeks ago, and oil consumption has slowed quite a bit. Mind you, it's time for an oil change so I'll add it to fresh Mobil1 5w-30 High Mileage and Mobil1 M1-104 filter. Maybe down the road I'll try the Engine Restore. I tried it in a 240sx I had, but it was an automatic, so any difference would be negated by the inefficiency of an auto tranny lol.
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Yea i think usin high mileage motor oil will reduce it alil... wat about usin synthetic??? even tho someone told me i shouldnt use synthetic cuz its bad for stock honda motors, idk thats wat he said... but yea i heard good stuff about that engine restorer, ima def use that on mine.. and maybe some Zmax lol
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