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Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

Hey guys,

I have a 2000 lude with volk te37 18" x 7.5 x 5 114.3 with I believe a 48mm offset. Tire size now is 215x18x35 falken tires (forgot to check the name but I'm pretty sure it's Ziex).

I am running about 7.5lbs of boost and I get absolutely no traction. I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to tires sizes that would give me better traction. I have searched the recommended sizing threads which didn't really help me regarding traction, just rub.

my car, not recent pics but you get the idea. Is there any options with tires or anything besides tires that will improve my traction at a low cost? It is dropped very low with no room to even get your fingers in the wheel well yet it does not rub in any circumstance.







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hella clean car! you need to switch to better tires. falken is bs. i only felt good traction with my falkens for the first few months then its done
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Better tires is your first step for sure.

Your tire size is ok... you just need a better compound.

Look into bfgoodrich kdw2 tires.
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What kind of suspention do you have?

Tires are usually the problem but suspention has a lot to do with it too.
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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

How about some tire size options that would help improve traction. I understand the tires I have now are not doing the job, that is why I am asking.
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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

I really had no knowledge about better quality tires and the substantial difference in performance as far as traction. I thought about going down to 17's with some 215/40/18. It is tough to go down from 18's to 17's though and have higher profile tires (I am sure it would still look great and I would get used to it).

I wanted more info on whether the width of the tire helps traction (225's instead of 215's) as well as the diameter 40 as apposed to 35. Common sense tells me yes for both questions, especially the diameter (more rubber to the ground).

I have cheap coil over springs that I have had on the car for like 7 years. It is an extremely stiff ride and I totally understand that suspension makes a big difference in traction. That would be a future project, for now I wanted something that would give me a 20-40% improvement over what I have now so I can enjoy driving a bit more without spinning from minimal gas.

I have no problem understanding the quality of tire now, and that seems like a great start. Now I need to know sizing for keeping the 18's and going down to 17's for the best look and traction possible.

Also it is winter so any high performance tires meant to handle freezing temps (don't need snow performance)

Also any brands and types would be great. Thank you
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^ there you go, having a round rim would help also. we fixed your problem lol
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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

For the wise guys. I seem to remember mentioning those were old pictures and the only ones I had on my work computer. This is the current state of the rims and painted hyperblack. Now back to my original post, looks like I will keep the size I have now and just get a better tire. Found some good ones to go with, will just sell the ones I have now.

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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

Bare in mind these are for the winter season and there are not very many options in the 18" wheel size. The Continental extremecontact DWS (dry, wet, snow)

Choice between 215/35/18 with better quality stickier ultra performance all season tire above (this is the set up I have now and I know it would work without rubbing)

or 225/35/18 (unsure if they will rub)

215/40/18 or 225/40/18. I would probably have to raise the car a bit with the coilovers to fit the 40's.

It is an overall consensus that stickier tires are the first priority.

How much of a difference would a traction bar and engine dampener make?
10% better, 20%, etc...

I estimate the tires should make a 20% difference at least.

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im just gonna run with some cheap coilovers but im getting tokico gas shocks there really nice and got a life time warrenty on them so cant go wrong I put a set on my buddys lexus IS300 and well fell in love with them and looked up reviews on the lude for them and there great so better shocks will help on top of that coil over set you have
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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

thanks, that is another route I will be taking in the future. I am looking for the most cost effective way to go and the progression from what should be the first step, second, third. Tires seem to be first.
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Your car looks great! I love those rims. Good luck finding rubber to fit those badboys and give you traction.
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thanks man, much appreciated. I like the tire size idea too, I will keep that in mind.
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Nothing you posted changes the fact that one of those rims are bent.. unless you replaced it and didn't say anything, last time I checked paint doesn't remove bends.
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Nothing you posted changes the fact that one of those rims are bent.. unless you replaced it and didn't say anything, last time I checked paint doesn't remove bends.
you can still see the bend in the 3rd pic

and to OP: lemme get this straight, youre saying you cant get any traction with a boosted, FWD car in winter? seems about right. even if its dry, the pavement is still cold as hell. and i dont know your driving styles so im throwing this out there, dont floor it into every gear, dont launch at 4k rpm

get wider tires, a traction bar, and an LSD
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^lol true

I had trouble getting up my friends driveway earlier bc of ice lol

Yeah I would recommend better tires.. Maybe a different suspension setup with bigger tires

And those wheels are sexi!! I kinda liked how they looked before..minus the bend. Whenever I get new wheels I'm getting the te's.. 17's but not sure what finish
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Definitely look into a traction bar(ESP makes one) and stiffer motor mounts as well.
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ive heard that skinnier tires will work better if you are doing alot of driving over ice/snow.
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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

As far as the rim being bent, it is no longer. Those initial pics are about 3 yrs old. Since then they have been completely resurfaced and dent repaired plus powdercoated.

I assure you there are no bends on any of the rims and they are in perfect condition. Whomever see's a bend in one of the wheels is mistaken. I tried to post pics of both sides to show, but I guess it is hard to see at the distance they are taken from.

I think some people are taking this thread a bit too seriously and must think my tone is desperate and in serious need of a huge change. I am just looking for a marginal improvement of like 10-20% improvement so I can still have fun in the winter time here.

Yes the ground being cold does have a big impact, that is what I figured made a big difference. No I am not talking about driving in snow, ice, or even wet.

Roads have been dry and clear, just cold. My driving style is the same as anyone trying to maintain traction with a turbo car. I ease on the gas and continue through the entire power band. I shift gingerly as to avoid a huge amount of wheel spin.

I know a small change in traction will make a big difference.

I agree buying another set of tires for the winter doesn't make much sense as the improvement will be small at best. Will do so in the summer and spend the money to get a nice pair.

How much of an improvement will a traction bar give me and an engine damper, or both. Seems like the motor mounts would be a big pain in the butt. Are the traction bar and engine damper worth it, and how challenging are they to install.

This is not a big deal, just trying to learn and make my car more fun to drive, its a long winter.

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Yeah, I agree, I just wanted to be able to keep the 18's and find a way to see marginal improvement. I get that there is no quick fix, I will just enjoy what I have and continue to progress the suspension and tires in the future.

I have stock rims with good all season tires powdercoated gloss black. I didn't want to, but I could put those on for the winter and it would help a bunch. I am just a big fan of the volk's and the car is finally coming together the way I pictured it. (pics below)


I now have a carbon fiber trunk (hood is on the way), I did some cool accent painting on the front end with the intercooler and the stock grill that will look great when I install the cf hood.

I am also putting the stock wing on the cf trunk to give it a good accent look. When I finish putting it together I will post pics very soon.



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As far as the rim being bent, it is no longer. Those initial pics are about 3 yrs old. Since then they have been completely resurfaced and dent repaired plus powdercoated.

I assure you there are no bends on any of the rims and they are in perfect condition. Whomever see's a bend in one of the wheels is mistaken. I tried to post pics of both sides to show, but I guess it is hard to see at the distance they are taken from.

I think some people are taking this thread a bit too seriously and must think my tone is desperate and in serious need of a huge change. I am just looking for a marginal improvement of like 10-20% improvement so I can still have fun in the winter time here.

Yes the ground being cold does have a big impact, that is what I figured made a big difference. No I am not talking about driving in snow, ice, or even wet.

Roads have been dry and clear, just cold. My driving style is the same as anyone trying to maintain traction with a turbo car. I ease on the gas and continue through the entire power band. I shift gingerly as to avoid a huge amount of wheel spin.

I know a small change in traction will make a big difference.

I agree buying another set of tires for the winter doesn't make much sense as the improvement will be small at best. Will do so in the summer and spend the money to get a nice pair.

How much of an improvement will a traction bar give me and an engine damper, or both. Seems like the motor mounts would be a big pain in the butt. Are the traction bar and engine damper worth it, and how challenging are they to install.

This is not a big deal, just trying to learn and make my car more fun to drive, its a long winter.

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I don't know what to tell you other than to get thicker tires. I'm boosted with 18" wheels and I don't have a traction issue (except for 1st gear if I floor it lol)

Traction bar should help
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i use to have those same tires and they were shiiiiiiiit! change those tires, i have s-drives and they do good for me but mines not boosted, i work at discount tire and we have a guy that comes in often to get new tires and get his serviced, he was 3 diffrent cars, turbo civic ek hatch, turbo nissan silvia s13, and a m-series bmw, and each one if his cars has BFGoodrich g-Force Super Sport A/S H&V (all season performance tires) and he runs at the track twice a week. so im guessing that those tires work for him.
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Re: Poor traction turbo, change tire size/rim size? Any other options

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