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Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

OK anyone with a 5th gen is currently or has some experience with powered subwoofers installed into a 5th gen? Examples of powered subs I am looking at are Infinity Basslink, Bazookas or something like these that will fit in the trunk or in the spare tire well (spare tire removed of course). I wold like to know how does it sound? Do you get much bass? What type of bass, tight or muddy?

I want a sub in my lude but am lazy and don't want to run a separate amp if I don't need to.....my goal is not to go to sound off competitions but merely to enhance the sound system I have in the car now....Kenwood head unit with Infinity Kappa's all around no external amps. This is daily commuter so I just need a clean sounding system with a little bass for rock and alternative music.

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You're not going to get much bass without running an amp. Usually what most people do is run one amp for the bass and run the highs off of the radio if they don't want to go all crazy with amps. Not only that butt you get a high pass filter with an amp and your bass is going to be much cleaner. An amp for bass is really a necessity.
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

Yeah dude honestly those bazookas bass tubes suck major balls..

If u want good sounding bass.. You are going to need to use an amp

If you're on a budget you can find a decent sub and amp at best buy..

I have one 10 inch sub that hits harder than my old 2 12" subs
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

Get 1 12 inch subwoofer in a PRO BOX(that's the name of the box)
And get a mono block amp(bass amp) and your good.you don't need another amp for your other speakers you can just run them to your cd player

I'm running 1 12 jl with a old pmiller bazooka mono amp and it sounds good
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Good info^

I have 1 jl 10w7 with a mono amp for the sub and cd player pushing the speakers.. Sounds really good and clean

I've heard that the w6 are really good too.. You should look into them
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i have a rockford punch ti 10 inch , mtx 1 cubic foot sealed box , mtx 6001 amp and a rockford 2 farad cap for sale . 350 shipped the sub alone was more than that .. if you need pics hit me up ..
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

Thanks guys, I figured that was the case. I just was not sure how those "powered" subs from Bazooka or Infinity and the like worked or sounded like. Guess I will be looking for a dedicated sub box and a mono amp as suggested. Any recommendations on a particular sub and mono amp that is not too expensive but good sounding and thumps? I don't think I need subs need to match front and rear speakers for sound quality?
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Thanks guys, I figured that was the case. I just was not sure how those "powered" subs from Bazooka or Infinity and the like worked or sounded like. Guess I will be looking for a dedicated sub box and a mono amp as suggested. Any recommendations on a particular sub and mono amp that is not too expensive but good sounding and thumps? I don't think I need subs need to match front and rear speakers for sound quality?





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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

Rockford is good.. My buddy has an hx2 sub and it beats!!

You can get kicker subs for a good price also.. Oh and mtx is a good brand too.. I've used all of these before
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

this sub with this amp knocks . the sub box amp and cap are all perfect match to each other as far as ratings and as a whole set up is about as nice as your gonna get . 600X1 rms and close to 1400 peak with the right cap to boot .
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

Prelude has rarely any space for a sub. Your trunk will be full if you want a ported sub. This is my Alpine Type R sub i had in my CL but I moved it to my Prelude and there's literally no space, but the sub hits very hard. There is no doubt you'll need an amp so look at the RMS and Ohms. Overpowering it a bit is ok but underpowering it isn't. You want to make sure your sub box is the right size as that's what I find is more important. My setup cost about $500 since I installed it. My sub runs at 300-600 rms watt so I bought a Rockford R500 mono amp which runs at 500 rms watt.

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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

installing a basstube or a powered sub is the exact same amount of work as if you were going to install a separate amp. I am running a single 12" Alpine Type R in a prefab box from visions nd it sounds amazing. running it at 300 watts rms(not completely sure since its wired down to 8ohms on a 1500rms amp:s ) and its awesome. Go separate amp and a sub. btw what type of music you listen to? cuz a 12" is a good all around sub
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whats your budget for the sub and amp?
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

I was hoping I could use the spare tire well to put the sub and amp as this will not take up any trunk space. Will a ported 10" sub and amp fit there?

My budget is about $250 for sub and amp...I don't need a 600 Watt RMS sub, but 200 Watt RMS would be nice.
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

^then I would look into best buy or crutchfield or a local audio place

My sub is 750rms and the ported box takes up half the trunk space... But this sub sounds sooo good and clean

I wouldn't recommend it for you though since the sub and amp alone will be over a grand..

I would save up atleast $500 for a decent sub and amp though
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Your looking at spend at the least $500 for a sub, amp, box, and wiring kit. Check out sonicelectronix.com. It's where I ordered most of my equipment. If your looking to place it in the spare tire area, you'll need to do custom work. If your good with wood working then you'll be able to get away with it. If not, your looking at the near $1000 range. You'll also need a shallow sub.
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I have 2 12" JL Audios in a box run by one amp and they sound awesome!
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Re: Thump Thump Question for you Audiophiles ??

I've tried to find a link for you... It's where someone made a fiberglass enclosure in the spare tire well. You can totally make a custom fiberglass enclosure and still use almost all of ur trunk.

I know that Rockford and jl make shallow mount subs for ppl that are restricted in space.

I would honestly recommend Rockford and MTX to you since they are the best subs in the price range you want..

Only get a mono amp if u plan on only getting one sub woofer..

The best advise I could give is just to listen to other peoples systems and kinda judge it from there.. And remember a tahoe isn't the same as a prelude

Also what kind of cd player do you have? It may limit you somewhat but it depends on how musically inclined u are lol

Everyone has taste but remember what u hear in the store won't apply to your car since it's a different setup..

Find out what you can afford and what u think will sound good and we will help you out.. We have all been there and probably have different opionions but you can decide what's best for for you

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Look, you don't need to get anything over 10" if your choice of music is rock and alternative. You just want some clean bass to accent your mids and highs and kind of set it off. If you are wanting to listen to some hip hop also then you will need to look into getting a 12" because 10" just won't cut it.

One thing to remember, you get what you pay for especially when it comes to auto sound. The best thing I read in this thread was that you should save up to get what you want, and remember to buy quality components and it will last you a lifetime and hit hard day after day. Also if you are going to be running just one 10 or 12" sub I wouldn't even bother with a capacitor, it's just a waste of time and money. In reality capacitors are crap and the only real way to keep your lights from dimming is running an isolator or power inverter and a 2nd battery but like I said for what you're trying to do it's really not that serious.

Just buy a 10" with a box and a "D" series amp and you'll be straight.
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Jus go to pep boys and buy one of there packages for like $150, thats wat i did..lol, and seriously they hit pretty good, u always adjust the bass so it wont be OD... but yea subwoofers cant be powered witout an amp..
U dont need a strong amp neither, get like a 200watt amp, thats good right there
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I have a 800watt Proformance Tekniques 4ch amp for my high and mids and a 2200watt 2ch amp for my lows. Oh I have 4 pioneer 2 way speakers and 2 dual coil MTX ground thunder (I think).
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Look, you don't need to get anything over 10" if your choice of music is rock and alternative. You just want some clean bass to accent your mids and highs and kind of set it off. If you are wanting to listen to some hip hop also then you will need to look into getting a 12" because 10" just won't cut it.
really now.... because i listen to everything from miles davis, to bassnectar, to jeezy and hell rell, to the craziest black/death metal you can think of. and it all sounds absolutely mint. 2 12" alpine type s. its all how you tune it.
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really now.... because i listen to everything from miles davis, to bassnectar, to jeezy and hell rell, to the craziest black/death metal you can think of. and it all sounds absolutely mint. 2 12" alpine type s. its all how you tune it.
Yeah really..

Like I said (please re-read my post) since he is listening to rock and alternative he isn't looking for booming heart pounding bass, he is looking for rock bass and he can get it with 10" no problem. You are listening to Hip Hop and Rock along with other various genres. You need the 12" that you have. Tuning your system is a part of it but 10" speakers aren't going to produce the same kind of bass that 12" speakers will no matter how you "tune" your system. They are different in almost every way. It also sounds like he is asking for something that isn't going to break the bank and something in the smaller sized spectrum if you read the original post, sounds like 10's to me...
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If your listening to rock and alternative go for 10 or 12" SEALED. You'll have a much tighter and quicker hit and SQ > SPL for those kinda genre
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yaaaa, i dont have "heart pounding bass" either. and believe it or not, there are cheaper 12's too. just because its a bigger size doesnt mean they cost more. and you proved my point as well. you said i need it for what i listen to. my music preferences also encompass his, so 12's would also work for him. in the end though, its personal preferance/how much size you probably want to dedicate to a box in your trunk
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yaaaa, i dont have "heart pounding bass" either. and believe it or not, there are cheaper 12's too. just because its a bigger size doesnt mean they cost more. and you proved my point as well. you said i need it for what i listen to. my music preferences also encompass his, so 12's would also work for him. in the end though, its personal preferance/how much size you probably want to dedicate to a box in your trunk
Look UPSguy, it's not a pissing match really. I used to work in car audio for a few years and I made a recommendation to a guy based off of what he said originally period. You need "12's" because you listen to "HIP HOP" period and he mentioned nothing about Hip Hop. If you listened to most genres of rock and really didn't listen to Hip Hop I would have recommended the same thing to you too. 10's deliver a tighter bass that is more along the rock line of music and not resonating. I don't know what planet you live on but here on Earth good speakers go up in price as they get bigger. Do i need to post examples? I don't know why you're trying to discredit my post, I never tried to say that he couldn't use 12's, but once again "based off of what he originally wrote" in the 1st post and I qoute, "I just need a clean sounding system with a little bass for rock and alternative music" 10's fit what he is asking for to a "T"! He was also asking for something that wouldn't take up too much space, once again 10's are smaller the 12's last time I checked

Here is a link so you can see the price differences between 10's and 12's since you like to argue. Between 10W6V2's and 12W6V2's there is a more then $60 price difference each so if he is going to buy 2 then it's over a $120 difference, quite a bit when you're trying to budget your money.

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^and I have one 10" sub that hits harder that alot of 2 12's would and has heart pounding bass in a ported box

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wow dude, AWESOME examples. heres some other examples...
Alpine SWS-1023D Type-S 10" subwoofer with dual 2-ohm voice coils at Crutchfield.com
Alpine SWE-1243 Type-E 12" single 4-ohm subwoofer at Crutchfield.com
hey guess what one costs more!! all i stated was that just because i sub is bigger, it doesnt necessarily cost more. and the fact youve worked in car audio doesnt really say anything. people at best buy work in car audio and dont know anything about it (not saying you do/did) it depends on what model sub and what specs it has.

oh, and im done with this thread. so when i dont answer, its not because of what you responded with. its because i really dont care enough to argue
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wow dude, AWESOME examples. heres some other examples...
Alpine SWS-1023D Type-S 10" subwoofer with dual 2-ohm voice coils at Crutchfield.com
Alpine SWE-1243 Type-E 12" single 4-ohm subwoofer at Crutchfield.com
hey guess what one costs more!! all i stated was that just because i sub is bigger, it doesnt necessarily cost more. and the fact youve worked in car audio doesnt really say anything. people at best buy work in car audio and dont know anything about it (not saying you do/did) it depends on what model sub and what specs it has.

oh, and im done with this thread. so when i dont answer, its not because of what you responded with. its because i really dont care enough to argue
You don't care enough to argue but you posted up some links Please miss me with that s-h-i-t. It's called general economics, and for the most part in the world we live in as the size gets bigger and the technology gets better as far as speakers and car audio goes they get more expensive. Not only that but your argument makes no sense since you're listing 2 different types of subs. Type E and Type S subs are not the same and therefore can't be used for an example smart guy-OWNED!!!. If you're going to use examples next time use apples for apples instead of apples and oranges If you compare prices on Alpines website the prices on the E-series is a $20.00 difference with the 12" speaker costing more in the same class. Here is a link for you..Alpine Electronics of America, Inc.

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