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hey i have a 97 prelude with a h2.2a vtech and i was wanting to get greddy evo2 exuast, dc headers, aem v2 cold air intake, and a apex vtech manager. if anyone could help me out with some better sugestions please let me know. thanks
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Re: 97 prelude

This has been covered very many times, and there is good chances it'll get locked because you didn't search. But thats not my job so I'll give you a couple tips.

1. It is not spelt "vtech." It is spelt VTEC.
2. Chances are you do not have a h22a, but an h22a4, unless you bought it with a swap.
3. Your car has one cylinder bank. Which means you have a "header", not "headers." Big difference.
4. Do not waste money on DC headers. Or megan, or eBay, etc. They are of a stock design and will not give you any added power. Period. End of story. The only headers that will add any kind of performance are RMF, Hytech, etc. They are expensive.
5. The AEM v2 is not a cold air intake. It is a short ram, or a variation of such.
6. The AEM v2 is very expensive, and if you buy a stock h22a type S air box and drop in a K&N filter, you'll see better power gains.
7. Don't buy any kind of VTEC manager. I don't think you'd be able to use one and not blow up your car. You need to do much more research and learn much more about your car before you start spending money on upgrades.

And no, I'm not being a dick. Its the simple truth, and I'm just trying to help you out.
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Re: 97 prelude

ok thanks man im just started learing about the prelude i ithnk i did come with the swap when i bought it because it says h2.2a but not a4. it has mega header and a apex tip and a cheap intake but i wuna build it better
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Re: 97 prelude

h2.2a?

You mean h22a? There's no period in there.

And most commonly there is the h22a (blacktop) and h22a type S (redtop). The standard h22a is a JDM most commonly swapped into the base models, the Type S is the JDM motor most commonly swapped into the Type SH prelude model.

Is your car a base or SH?




Also, I've never even heard of a "mega" header, but it is prolly the stock design type, or OEM replacement. Even if it is marketed as "high performance", "sport" or "racing" it is still most likely stock design. Which is the exact same type of design DC uses. You'd be buying the same thing twice. Not worth it.

Apex tip or Apexi? And a tip won't do anything for you in terms of power.

Cheap intake you say? What kind?
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Re: 97 prelude

its has the red cover witch would be the type s. its the sh with a 5speed. thats why i want to get new header so i can gain some power. its apexi tip i bought it with the small stuff on it. it has a k&n intake that has a lil hole in it idk what the person did to it befor me.
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Re: 97 prelude

Well....just because it has a red cover does not necessarily mean its a type S motor. However, if you have ATTS and the motor says h22a, then its pretty much a given that it is a type S. There may also be other indications, like the part number on engine/transaxle. Does an ATTS light come on in the dash when you start the car? Should be right next to the green key light that comes on when you start it.

The type S should also be built slightly differently, like a longer fuel rail, etc., although I'm not familiar with it enough to tell you for sure.


Does your motor have the stock intake box? Or does it have a big, shiny pipe coming straight out of the throttle body with no air box?

If you have the stock airbox, KEEP IT. A stock Type S airbox with a drop in K&N air filter is the best setup you can have, hands down. If the filter is damaged, just replace the filter, but don't bother getting a new intake setup. If you have the stock airbox.
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Re: 97 prelude

theres no atts light. it dosnt have the stock air box thats gone. do u know and good sites to order parts from i live in the middle of no where so theres no performance shops around here.
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Re: 97 prelude

No ATTS light means...

1. It is somehow not hooked up
2. The bulb is gone or broken
3. It is not an SH or
4. Its an SH which was swapped with a base model engine/trans with a red painted valve cover.


As far as parts, research, research, research. As far as OEM parts go, http://www.providencehondaservice.com/order-parts.aspx is a good one. As far as aftermarket goes, eBay is ok for SOME things, all else you need to look for. (ie: google)



Also search this forum, look at the stickies at the top of each section. There are a lot of resources to help you learn about your car, how to build it and what to put on your car for performance and where to get it.
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This has been covered very many times, and there is good chances it'll get locked because you didn't search. But thats not my job so I'll give you a couple tips.

1. It is not spelt "vtech." It is spelt VTEC.
2. Chances are you do not have a h22a, but an h22a4, unless you bought it with a swap.
3. Your car has one cylinder bank. Which means you have a "header", not "headers." Big difference.
4. Do not waste money on DC headers. Or megan, or eBay, etc. They are of a stock design and will not give you any added power. Period. End of story. The only headers that will add any kind of performance are RMF, Hytech, etc. They are expensive.
5. The AEM v2 is not a cold air intake. It is a short ram, or a variation of such.
6. The AEM v2 is very expensive, and if you buy a stock h22a type S air box and drop in a K&N filter, you'll see better power gains.
7. Don't buy any kind of VTEC manager. I don't think you'd be able to use one and not blow up your car. You need to do much more research and learn much more about your car before you start spending money on upgrades.

And no, I'm not being a dick. Its the simple truth, and I'm just trying to help you out.
#4 is false... headers do help. Even cheap ones. It might not be a huge difference but they can very much so assist other add-ons to the car and work together to get good numbers. I have seen Ebay header+ intake + exhaust = a second fast on their quarter mile times.

#6 I would also like to say that even with a short ram you are still getting more air into the motor because the stock intake has a lot of saxophones and what not that are supposed to add a little bit of torque but not a lot. The reason people think that short rams don't help a lot is because it is sucking up warm air from the engine heat being put off. The rule of thumb is -10 degrees = 1BHP So the same works in the opposite effect.

Reseach needs to be done by more than just the original poster lol Please state if it is your opinion. And if you don't know for sure then please say so. And if I was wrong with any info someone else please correct me.

Thought I would add that so we arent giving out false info here. No offense bro.
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Re: 97 prelude

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theres no atts light. it dosnt have the stock air box thats gone. do u know and good sites to order parts from i live in the middle of no where so theres no performance shops around here.
Hey man what are you looking for in parts? I have a lot of extras and I might possibly be parting out my lude.
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Re: 97 prelude

As for a VTEC manager (Controller), I have one, it does help, if you know how to use that is. Which there is an online .pdf file for mine, that I try to read in my free time to figure out the controller. Basically controls when the vtec kicks in i believe (only from reading), and im guessing needs tuning to the engine (which was done to mine)

Mine is the APEXi VAFCII Vtec Controller (High Flow Air Convertor), Can control low to high and high to low settings (Piggyback controller?)
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#4 is false... headers do help. Even cheap ones. It might not be a huge difference but they can very much so assist other add-ons to the car and work together to get good numbers. I have seen Ebay header+ intake + exhaust = a second fast on their quarter mile times.

#6 I would also like to say that even with a short ram you are still getting more air into the motor because the stock intake has a lot of saxophones and what not that are supposed to add a little bit of torque but not a lot. The reason people think that short rams don't help a lot is because it is sucking up warm air from the engine heat being put off. The rule of thumb is -10 degrees = 1BHP So the same works in the opposite effect.

Reseach needs to be done by more than just the original poster lol Please state if it is your opinion. And if you don't know for sure then please say so. And if I was wrong with any info someone else please correct me.

Thought I would add that so we arent giving out false info here. No offense bro.
From what I have gathered, and been told by many people on this forum and others, not to mention my own research, the design of DC/Megan/etc headers is equivalent to stock, and to see any decent power gains (from the header itself) you would need to go with a tri-y design, such as hytech, RMF, bisi, etc.


As for the second part, nowhere in my post did I mention anything about short rams being detrimental, not worth it, or did I say anything bad about short rams. I said that IF he had the type S airbox, which comes stock with a JDM h22a Type S, then he should keep that rather than getting a new intake setup.

And the stock Type S airbox with a drop in K&N filter has been dyno proven to give you larger gains than even the AEM v2 intake.
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Re: 97 prelude

ah i see. Now that I think about it I remember hearing about the intakes. Just a header by itself is not complimenting anything else, so no it would not help but with other work done there is significant gains. Ask DBD6604. He had good results from a megan header. Granted any gain is not significant enough to compare with better quality headers and other performance parts.
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ah i see. Now that I think about it I remember hearing about the intakes. Just a header by itself is not complimenting anything else, so no it would not help but with other work done there is significant gains. Ask DBD6604. He had good results from a megan header. Granted any gain is not significant enough to compare with better quality headers and other performance parts.
Thats kind of what I was getting at.

From what I've heard some stock design headers will not give you any gains, they may even cause you to lose power. As far as the hytech vs. DC sports header debate goes (examples) I think that in the end, you would have a better power gained to cash invested ratio with a better quality header.
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