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Old 10-25-2010, 08:37 PM
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JDMH22a into a h22a4

just found a good deal on an H22A and just wanted to know if an H22A is plug and play into a base modle prelude (se)

will it bolt up to the h22a4 tranny ?

i could only find info on the Sh model and they say the type s will drop in cause it has atts.

so will H22a bolt up to the h22a4 tranny

and do i need to change ecu ? im planing on going to obd1 either way but a little help in the right direction would be great

any flaws on the h22a ? that i should be prepared for ?

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just found a good deal on an H22A and just wanted to know if an H22A is plug and play into a base modle prelude (se) Yes
will it bolt up to the h22a4 tranny ? Yes
i could only find info on the Sh model and they say the type s will drop in cause it has atts.

so will H22a bolt up to the h22a4 tranny Yes
and do i need to change ecu ? im planing on going to obd1 either way but a little help in the right direction would be great Yes, you should change your ecu do to difference in compression. Get a chipped ecu with an h22a base map. Phearable.net is a great place to get one from also an obd2 to obd1 conversion harness
any flaws on the h22a ? that i should be prepared for ? Nope
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

awesome thanks

do you know this from experience ?
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

one more question , untill i get the h22a and get ready to put it in i need to fix my h22a4

it has an oil leak from front main

how do i replace it ?
remove belts
remove crank pully
bam its right there ?

or do i have to take the lower timing belt cover off ? any thing else that has to come off ??
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

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h22a motor is not "plug and play" with a 5th gen.

Here is the two ways of getting a JDM h22a motor to run in your 97+ Prelude.

If you are doing this swap, it is likely that you have the old motor still. If you don't want to do any wiring, you will need parts off of it so wait to get rid of it until you can take the following parts from the OBD2 engine:

1) Complete intake manifold (injectors, fuel rail) 2) Exhaust manifold 3) Power steering pump and mount 4) AC compressor and mount 5) Alternator and mount 6) Oil pump with CKP and TDC sensors attached 7) Timing belt gear 8) Balancer shaft gear 9) Distributor

While you are doing this, it is a good idea to convert to a manual H23 tensioner as well as replace any seals as necessary. Replacing the rear main seal is a good idea as having to replace it after engine install requires dropping the transmission and removing the clutch and flywheel.

The other way to do this swap is to obtain an OBD1 H23 or H22 distributor and make a harness.

The distributor conversion wiring is as follows:

* OBDII -----------> OBDI--------> function

* Black...............Blue/Yellow........CKP M
* Red................White/Blue..........TDC M
* White.................WHITE............CYP M
* Blue.............Blue/Green..........CKP P
* Green............Orange/Blue...........TDC P
* Yellow...............Orange..............CYP P
* Yellow/Green.....Yellow/Green..........ICM
* Green...............Green..............ICM
I am going to bet that half that stuff is already done since he is getting it I'm guessing locally and it has either been in a 5th or 4th gen and since he has the old engine and has all the stuff he will already need I see it as "plug and play" I guess I should have been more specific.
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

why do i need all this ??

1) Complete intake manifold (injectors, fuel rail) 2) Exhaust manifold 3) Power steering pump and mount 4) AC compressor and mount 5) Alternator and mount 6) Oil pump with CKP and TDC sensors attached 7) Timing belt gear 8) Balancer shaft gear 9) Distributor

or did you just mean if the H22A i buy does not come with it ?

they one im getting comes with every thing but i will be deleting ac, and ps,

and ill just buy a harness for the obd2 to obd1

is there any other reason i need that stuff listed above ??
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

You wont need to buy any of that stuff. You just need to use them off of your engine already in your car.
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

but why is my question ? why cant i use the dizzy and intake thats on the H22A ?
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You might be able to.

Do you know what the engine was recently taken out of?
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

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but why is my question ? why cant i use the dizzy and intake thats on the H22A ?
Since OBD1 and OBD2 ECU's have different sensors you can either swap the sensors (hence rewiring) or replace the entire parts to make it compatible with your current OBD2 ECU.

Some are assuming that you got a OBD1 engine, if you do then you must swap the necessary components or just get a OBD1 ECU from phearable and OBD2 to OBD1 wire harness.

Edit: The injectors are different from OBD1 and OBD2 as well, one is peak and hold, other is saturated so the ECU has to treat them differently.
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

I didn't assume he was getting an obd1 engine I was getting to that point. He said he wanted to go to an obd1 ecu so that's why I think 98vtec assumed it.
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

To be honest man...This isn't really worth the money and time. The H22A Type-S (5th Gen) clocks at around 220HP. The H22A4 has 200HP. $2-3k for an extra 20HP doesn't really seem worth it...With $2-3k you could fix your H22A4 issues and build-up your engine. Basically, spending that money on your current engine will give you more power/torque than an H22A swap.

If I had money to throw around, I'd put it into the bottom-end of my engine; so that I could eventually boost it.
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

^when you build or rebuild any motor you should expect something to go wrong so it my not be cheaper in the long run. a jdm motor w/ out tranny or ecu shouldn't run you 3k if so... your looking in the wrong places. most jdm motors that are sold or obd1. 98vtec has had alot of experience in this... he also owns a fifth gen as do i ... so whose advice are you going to follow.

anyways ... jdm motor are more reliable and in most cases stronger then your h22a4. otherwise why would every motor i have swapped or built be an h22a ...jdm.
proofs is in the pudding... do your homework... search.. don't just post a question... if you do expect some not so correct answers.
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h22a motor is not "plug and play" with a 5th gen.

1) Complete intake manifold (injectors, fuel rail) 2) Exhaust manifold 3) Power steering pump and mount 4) AC compressor and mount 5) Alternator and mount 6) Oil pump with CKP and TDC sensors attached 7) Timing belt gear 8) Balancer shaft gear 9) Distributor
This is the truth! I had to do all this when I went from stock motor to h22a
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anyways ... jdm motor are more reliable and in most cases stronger then your h22a4. otherwise why would every motor i have swapped or built be an h22a ...jdm.
proofs is in the pudding... do your homework... search.. don't just post a question... if you do expect some not so correct answers.
The H22A just has higher compression; which is where that little bit more of power comes from. And yes, obviously, the H22A will have lower MILEAGE, but saying it's "stronger" isn't really too accurate...My H22A4 only has 73k miles; and it runs as strong as anything. And other than OBD1, there's no other MAJOR differences between the two. People should buy this if they want to swap it in a Civic/Integra/Accord/4th Gen Prelude. But going from H22A4 to H22A is honestly, a waste of money...Unless your really that, "JDM tyte, yo!".

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I copied this from one of my other posts, I was using an f22 motor as an example... but the info is the same.....

a few things.....

things JDM h22 has that USDM does not.., and vice versa

JDM h22 has fuel rail backwards.., along with wiring for RHD cars., you will have to use your F22 wiring, and mod where needed..., also JDM h22's have a evap purge valve on the fuel rail.., you will notice fuel pressure regulator vac line runs into it.., take evap purge valve off fuel rail, and run the vac line from fuel pressure regulator straight into intake manifold... you already have evap purge valve...

JDM h22 has only one temp fan switch..., your F22 and usdm h22's have fan switch A and B
H22 JDM and USDM have knock sensors.., I'm pretty sure F22's do not
JDM h22 has internal coil distributor (same as civic SI)
JDM h22 also has IAB's intake air bypass (butterflys)

if you happen to get a JDM h22 from an accord type R.., you will have no vtec pressure sensor.., just a bolt in its place.., you can either get one, use a power steering pressure sensor, or wire it like the accord type R, and disable it.., (ecu does not look for it) not ghetto, real oem wiring config to disable pressure switch.... and the intermediate shaft from an accord type R is different..., I had my axles made for an H22 from a prelude..., when I got my motor, I found out it was from an accord type R.., rear mount, and intermediate shaft were different.. I found out that there is no difference in HP between the two.., accord type R's also come with a P2T4 tranny.

when doing swap..., don't worry about wire colors, just worry about what ecu pin they go to

the rear mount with JDM h22 from accord type R is different than preludes

if you need a bomb h22 "starting point" basemap for crome......... I have one.... free for everybody ..... just pm me.
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ok sorry so much info , let me explain again

i want to get an H22A and use that whole engine with out swapping parts, i will be going to obd1

will i still need to swap stuff out with parts from my h22a4 ? even after going to obd1 ?
also yes 2-3k for an h22a is a waste when i could just rebuild my motor but im not pating 3 2 or even 1 k for the motor and im not buying it for the extra 20HP im just buying it for a solid build in the future


sooo back to question 1 will a h22a swap right in? minus the obd2 to obd1 conversion
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ok sorry so much info , let me explain again

i want to get an H22A and use that whole engine with out swapping parts, i will be going to obd1

will i still need to swap stuff out with parts from my h22a4 ? even after going to obd1 ?
also yes 2-3k for an h22a is a waste when i could just rebuild my motor but im not pating 3 2 or even 1 k for the motor and im not buying it for the extra 20HP im just buying it for a solid build in the future


sooo back to question 1 will a h22a swap right in? minus the obd2 to obd1 conversion
Your H22A will fit right into your 5th Gen Prelude. It's the same engine size and everything. You bought an H22A from a 5th Gen Prelude Type-S, right?
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plug and play means you buy it, install and be on your way.

h22a in a 5th gen is not plug and play any way you look at it.
If I already have all the parts needed for the swap in my own car after I buy another engine I see it as plug and play. It doesn't matter though we aren't here to argue with each other we are here to help.
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

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this is not a type S motor.
Oh well. It'd still fit regardless...It's just the JDM version of the USDM engine...
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

It's pretty much plug and play. Yes, there is stuff you have to switch and swap, but it doesn't require any major machining or anything. This one kid I know swapped a JDM H22A into a base 5th gen in a weekend. And he was a mop monkey at a local auto shop.

I'd say they're pretty much plug and play.



swapping a JDM H22A into a 5th gen Type SH on the other hand...
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Re: JDMH22a into a h22a4

but WHY do you have to swap the stuff ??


jdm h22a and jdm h22a ecu and wiring harness = will work ? is there any one on here that has done this not that long ago ?
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