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Old 09-29-2010, 12:37 AM
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timing belt whine noise

i did the manual tensioner conversion, new belts, new water pump and now i hear a whining noise coming out of my timing belt, read about it and seems pretty common due to the fact thats its new.i took the valve cover off and i have lines across my timing belt about every 3" and about 6" inches long,and in one spot even a piece of string came out of the timing belt.could i have over tighten it too much?
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Re: timing belt whine noise

I'm thinking yes....but hell if I know.


Did you tighten it to a spec? A certain amount of foot pounds or so?


Yes, its common that they whine when first put on, but if you overtighten them it will stress the belt and it can snap. Which could damage a number of things.
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Re: timing belt whine noise

If you put on a new t-blet and somewhat over tightened it then you should be fine bc after a few thousand miles to break in the new belt that it'll go away!!!
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Re: timing belt whine noise

99% of the time when you get the supercharger whine after replacing the timing & balance belts the whine is caused by the balance belt being too tight.. If the manual tensioner conversion was done at the same time, the timing belt is probably too tight too.
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Re: timing belt whine noise

if a string came off your belt . something is seriously wrong .. i would not drive it like that . take it from an seasoned tech have someone who knows what there doing look at it . the whine means its to tights . ive never seen one start to separate . there is a serious issue there ..
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Re: timing belt whine noise

i did over tourqued it kinda, i think i gave the adjusting nut like 50lbs which is way more then it should be,but why theres a line in the middle of it i cant figure out, what sucks is that i already put my crank pulley on.ellement600rr could the line in the middle of the timing belt be from a balancer tensioner pulley, it has that bracket that hangs on the spring which is attached to the water pump, i put a big washer to tighten that bracket im thinking its rubbing against that.
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its rubbing something and its going to break . it needs to be investigated . has to come apart ...
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Re: timing belt whine noise

Quick question did you have to take your engine out to put a new belt on?
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Re: timing belt whine noise

no you dont but you do have to take that mount out . remove the ps pump zip tie it to the side ( usually to the abs lines ) take off the alt / ac belt then the crank pulley valve cover and timing covers

step 1 set engine to top dead center and remove ps pump
step 2 ac/ alt belt
step 3 crank pulley ( bolt can be accessed though a cut out in the wheel well )
step 4 valve cover
step 5 timing covers
step 6 use a jack on the oil pan ( with a piece of 2 x 4 ) remove the mount and associated pieces
step 7 figure out what it is thats rubbing the belt ( look at all the pulleys and make sure there smooth ) if not this could be damaging the belt ..

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Re: timing belt whine noise

my final guess is that i over tourqued the adjusting nut and that pushed that tensioner pulleys close to engine bay and the timing belt was not sitting on the tensioner pulley and rubbing against balancer belt pulley . its actually sounds easier on the paper on how to get to timing belt.
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no you dont but you do have to take that mount out . remove the ps pump zip tie it to the side ( usually to the abs lines ) take off the alt / ac belt then the crank pulley valve cover and timing covers

step 1 set engine to top dead center and remove ps pump
step 2 ac/ alt belt
step 3 crank pulley ( bolt can be accessed though a cut out in the wheel well )
step 4 valve cover
step 5 timing covers
step 6 use a jack on the oil pan ( with a piece of 2 x 4 ) remove the mount and associated pieces
step 7 figure out what it is thats rubbing the belt ( look at all the pulleys and make sure there smooth ) if not this could be damaging the belt ..

if you need any more advice hit me up ..
yo im sorry bro but if youre gonna give someone directions on how to do something, you should be FAR clearer than this.

did you get the balance shaft tensioner thats made for the manual tensioner or reuse the old one? if you got the proper one you shouldnt put a washer in between them to make space. also check to make sure that the pulleys are all the way on the post, if not they will sit crooked.
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yo im sorry bro but if youre gonna give someone directions on how to do something, you should be FAR clearer than this.

did you get the balance shaft tensioner thats made for the manual tensioner or reuse the old one? if you got the proper one you shouldnt put a washer in between them to make space. also check to make sure that the pulleys are all the way on the post, if not they will sit crooked.
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REMOVAL

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Turn the crankshaft pulley so the No. 1 piston is at Top Dead Center (TDC) before removing the belt.
Inspect the water pump after removing the timing belt.
Replace the timing belt and timing balancer belt at 105,000 miles (168,000 km) according to the maintenance schedule (normal conditions/severe conditions). If the vehicle is regularly driven in one or more of the following conditions, replace the timing belt and timing balancer belt at 60,000 miles (U.S.A.) 100,000 km (Canada).
In very high temperatures (over 110F, 43C).
In very low temperatures (under -20F, -29C).
Make sure you have the anti-theft code for the radio, then write down the frequencies for the radio's preset buttons.
Disconnect the battery negative terminal first, then the positive terminal.
Remove the wheel well splash shield.








Loosen the adjusting bolt, locknut and mounting bolt, then remove the Power Steering (P/S) pump belt.
Remove the alternator terminal and connector.








Loosen the adjusting bolt, mounting bolt and lock nut, then remove the alternator belt.
Remove the side engine mount.
NOTE:


Support the engine with a jack before removing the side engine mount and upper bracket assembly is removed.
Make sure to place a cushion between the oil pan and the jack.








Remove the dipstick and the tube.
Remove the cylinder head cover.
NOTE: The procedures in steps 10 and 11 are for reusing the timing belt. For replacing the timing belt, skip these procedures and go to step 12.



Use an open-end wrench to loosen the maintenance bolt. If it cannot be loosened with an open-end wrench, a box wrench can be used after removing the lock pin.
NOTE: Use of a tool should be limited to initial loosening only.









Unscrew the maintenance bolt by hand until it stops. The auto-tensioner bracket is now fixed.
NOTE:


Never use a tool to unscrew the maintenance bolt after initial loosening it.
If the auto-tensioner has been extended and the timing belt cannot be installed, remove the auto-tensioner, compress it and reinstall it.
Remove the middle cover.
NOTE: Do not use the middle cover to store removed items.



Remove the pulley bolt and crankshaft pulley.








Remove the lock pin and rubber seals, then remove the lower cover.
NOTE: Do not use the lower cover to store removed items.









Loosen the adjusting nut 2/3-1 turn. Push the tensioner to remove tension from the timing balancer belt, then retighten the adjusting nut.
Remove the timing balancer belt and timing belt.
INSTALLATION

New Belt

NOTE: This procedure is to replace the timing belt.

Install the timing belt and timing balancer belt in the reverse order of removal; Only key points are described here.

NOTE: Clean the middle and lower covers before installation.



Remove the timing balancer belt drive pulley.








Set the timing belt drive pulley so that the No. 1 piston is at Top Dead Center (TDC) . Align the dimple on the teeth of the timing belt drive pulley with the "Triangle" pointer on the oil pump








The "Arrow" marks on the camshaft pulleys should be at the top, and the TDC grooves on the pulleys should align with the cylinder head surface.
Remove the auto-tensioner.
Hold the auto-tensioner with the maintenance bolt pointing up. Loosen and remove the maintenance bolt.
NOTE: Handle the auto-tensioner carefully so the oil inside does not spill or leak.
Replenish the auto-tensioner with oil if any spills or leaks. The total capacity is 8 ml (1/4 fluid oz.).



Clamp the boss of the auto-tensioner in a vise. Use pieces of wood or a cloth to protect the boss.
NOTE: Do not grip the housing of the auto-tensioner.









Insert a flat blade screwdriver into the maintenance hole. Place the stopper (P/N 14540-P13-003) on the auto-tensioner while turning the screwdriver clockwise to compress the bottom.
NOTE: Take care not to damage the threads or the gasket contact surface with the screwdriver.









Reinstall the maintenance bolt.
NOTE: Be sure to use a new gasket.









Make sure no oil is leaking around the maintenance bolt, then install the auto-tensioner.
NOTE: Make sure the stopper stays in place.









Install the timing belt tightly in the sequence shown. (1) Timing belt drive pulley (crankshaft)-->(2) Adjusting pulley-->(3) Water pump pulley-->(4) Exhaust camshaft pulley-->(5) Intake camshaft pulley.
NOTE: Make sure the timing belt drive pulley and camshaft pulleys are at TDC.









Remove the stopper.
Install the timing balancer belt drive pulley and lower cover.
Install the crankshaft pulley, then tighten the pulley bolt.
Rotate the crankshaft pulley about five or six turns counterclockwise so that the timing belt positions on the pulleys.








Make sure the crankshaft and camshaft pulleys are at TDC.
If either the camshaft or the crankshaft pulley is not positioned at TDC, remove the timing belt and adjust the positioning, then reinstall the timing belt.
Set the crankshaft pulley so that the No. 1 piston is at TDC.
Remove the crankshaft pulley and lower cover.
Loosen the adjusting nut 2/3-1 turn, and verify that the timing balancer belt adjuster moves freely.
Retighten the adjusting nut.








Align the rear balancer shaft pulley by using a 6 x 100 mm bolt or equivalent as an tool. Scribe a line 74 mm (2.9 inch) from the end of the bolt. Insert the bolt into the maintenance hole to the scribed line.








Align the groove on the front balancer shaft with the pointer on the oil pump housing as shown.
Install the timing balancer belt. Loosen the adjusting nut 2/3-1 turn to tension the timing balancer belt.
Remove the 6 x 100 mm bolt, then install the 12 mm sealing bolt.
Install the lower cover and crankshaft pulley, then tighten the pulley bolt.
Turn the crankshaft pulley about one turn counterclockwise, then tighten the adjusting nut.
Install the rubber seal around the adjusting nut.
NOTE: Do not loosen the adjusting nut.



After installation, adjust the tension of each belt.
See Drive Belts, Mounts, Brackets and Accessories / Drive Belt / Adjustments.
Enter the anti-theft code for the radio, then enter the customer's radio station presets.
Used Belt

NOTE: Use this procedure when reusing the timing belt.

Install the timing belt and timing balancer belt in the reverse order of removal; Only key points are described here.

NOTE: Clean the middle and lower covers before installation.



Remove the balancer belt drive pulley.
Set the timing belt drive pulley so that the No. 1 piston is at TDC.
Set the camshaft pulleys so that the No. 1 piston is at TDC.








Install the special tool on the intake camshaft pulley.








Install the timing belt.
NOTE:


If the auto-tensioner has extended and the timing belt cannot be installed, remove and compress the auto-tensioner.
Take care not to damage the timing belt when installing it.
Make sure the timing belt drive pulley and camshaft pulleys are at TDC.
Remove the special tool.








Tighten the maintenance bolt to make the auto-tensioner functional.
Install the timing balancer belt drive pulley and lower cover.
Install the crankshaft pulley, then tighten the pulley bolt.
Rotate the crankshaft pulley about five or six turns counterclockwise so that the timing belt positions on the pulleys.
Make sure the crankshaft pulley and camshaft pulleys are at TDC.
If either camshaft and crankshaft pulley is not positioned at TDC, remove the timing belt and adjust the positioning following the procedures in steps 1 and 2, then reinstall the timing belt.
Set the crankshaft pulley so that the No. 1 piston is at TDC.
Remove the crankshaft pulley and lower cover.
Loosen the adjusting nut 2/3-1 turn, and verify that the timing balancer belt adjuster moves freely.
Retighten the adjusting nut.
Align the rear balancer shaft pulley by using a 6 x 100 mm bolt or equivalent as a tool. Scribe a line 74 mm (2.9 inch) from the end of the bolt. Insert the bolt into the maintenance hole to the scribed line.
Align the groove on the front balancer shaft pulley with the pointer on the oil pump housing.
Install the timing balancer belt. Loosen the adjusting nut 2/3-1 turn to tension the timing balancer belt.
Remove the 6 x 100 mm bolt, then install the 12 mm sealing bolt.
Install the lower cover and crankshaft pulley, then tighten the pulley bolt.
Turn the crankshaft pulley about one turn counterclockwise, then tighten the adjusting nut.
Install the rubber seal around the adjusting nut.
NOTE: Do not loosen the adjusting nut.



After installation, adjust the tension of each belt.
See Drive Belts, Mounts, Brackets and Accessories / Drive Belt / Adjustments.
Enter the anti-theft code for the radio, then enter the customer's radio station presets.










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