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Hey, Just got a 99' Lude today. ~115k, 5 speed, think its just the base model??? This is my second lude.. used to have a 4th gen vtec. Anyways...

So I had been looking at this car for a week or so, went and picked it up today. Did a test drive about a week ago.. everything was good. Runs really nice, starts up good. Drove it home around noon. came inside my house and passed out for a few hours... then around 7:30, went to get smokes and put some gas in... and I notice on my way back home that the check engine light is on. havn't even owned it for 10 hours yet Still seems to be running perfectly fine, can't notice anything wrong with it.

Also... the cd player (an alpine) that came in the car must be hooked up wrong. Everytime I shut the car off, the cd player looses it's settings. Normally if you turn the car off while playing a cd and its at 2:34... you turn the car back on and it resumes playing at 2:34. Cd player is already on and starts playing by itself.

Now, after I turn the car back on... it resets to the default.. I actually have to press the power button, and switch to cd (from the default...radio) Also all the settings like bass/treb/bal/fad all go back to the default?

Not sure why it would do this any suggestions? think its something wrong with the cd player itself or the way its hooked up? I'll probably pull it out this weekend and see if I can't get it working right. But as for the check engine light.. don't know what to do.
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you mention that you were putting some gas did you double check the gas cap if its really sitting tight? b/c engine light will come on if you didn't tighten the gas cap.
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**** I don't know.. I thought it was on tight.. not gonna fall off or anything I'll have to check tomorrow... hopefully thats all it is
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So I had been looking at this car for a week or so, went and picked it up today. Did a test drive about a week ago.. everything was good. Runs really nice, starts up good. Drove it home around noon. came inside my house and passed out for a few hours... then around 7:30, went to get smokes and put some gas in... and I notice on my way back home that the check engine light is on. havn't even owned it for 10 hours yet Still seems to be running perfectly fine, can't notice anything wrong with it.
Go to your nearest auto parts store (Autozone, Advance, O'Reilly...)and have them check the codes. They will give you a print-out of the codes the computer is throwing to trigger the CEL. If they just give you the numbers and dont know what they mean, just post them on here and ill check my manual for you. As 99preludeowner said, it could be as simple as a lose gas cap.

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Also... the cd player (an alpine) that came in the car must be hooked up wrong. Everytime I shut the car off, the cd player looses it's settings. Normally if you turn the car off while playing a cd and its at 2:34... you turn the car back on and it resumes playing at 2:34. Cd player is already on and starts playing by itself.

Now, after I turn the car back on... it resets to the default.. I actually have to press the power button, and switch to cd (from the default...radio) Also all the settings like bass/treb/bal/fad all go back to the default?
On my Alpine, there was a separate ground that comes out of the back of the unit that has to be put on a bolt to something metal in the dash. That may be the problem if its not bolted...

If that doesnt work just call your local car audio shop, or call Crutchfield and they may be able to help you. There is also a very nice lady on here who goes by lilmsprelude and she may be able to help too.
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Gas cap = Three clicks. At least.
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Re: New 99' lude problems

my suggestion for the stereo is to check the connections to the harness there should be a red and a yellow wire both need to be connected. The yellow i believe is your constant thats what keeps your settings stored in the radios memory if its not connected then every time you shut the car off every thing gets erased
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Re: New 99' lude problems

****.. tightened up the gas cap (bunch of clicks) drove about 30 miles today.. light is still on. If it was the gas cap, should the the light go out by itself, or does it have to be reset using the hand held computer thingy?

The dealer said they installed a new O2 sensor before they put it on the lot... the exhaust sounds a little "rhaspy" maybe there is a leak... would that cause the light to come on? or maybe they installed a bad/wrong O2 sensor

Also... I thought there was a way you could get the code without having the hand held computer thingy to diagnose it...anyone know what i'm talking about? I went to autozone and they said it was "against the law" for them to do that (i'm in Cali).. then saw a napa on the way home.. went in there and they said they don't have the thing to test it.. any suggestions on where i could go... do they charge to do it?

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autozone should have been able to do it for free...
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Re: New 99' lude problems

radio sounds to me like the constant(memory, yellow) and the main power (red or orange) are both hooked up to the same wire, which only the main power wire should be hooked to. which would be the wire that sends power to the radio when you turn the key on. the main power wire should be hooked to a power source that is only hot when the key is turned on and the memory wire should be hot all the time. does that make sense?

sorry if that isnt exactly wat i should call things, i'm no radio expert but i have hooked a few up in my days, haha
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Also... I thought there was a way you could get the code without having the hand held computer thingy to diagnose it...anyone know what i'm talking about? I went to autozone and they said it was "against the law" for them to do that (i'm in Cali).. then saw a napa on the way home.. went in there and they said they don't have the thing to test it.. any suggestions on where i could go... do they charge to do it?

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I have never heard of it being illegal to check your OBDI codes, especially in cali where it was originally implemented for emissions checks haha. I would go to another autozone and have them run the codes, or atleast call around the auto parts stores near you and ask them if they have and ODBI II(2) scanner to diagnose a CEI (Check Engine Light).
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last i heard it is only illegal for them to erase the codes. checking them is a must or u can't pass emmissions sometimes. sounds like that autozone was just bein a B*&$h and not wanting to do their job. Like the others said, just check another autozone. or u can always pull the batt cables for a lil bit and then put them back on, make sure u have the gas cap tightened at least 3 clicks b4 u start the car back up. thats my suggestion. if it throws another CEL and it says its the fuel system, u may have a bad gas cap. keep us updated on what happens, i'll help as much as i can, i had an 01 eclipse that was a lemon b/c of the fuel tank issues which caused the CEL to come on. good luck.
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Re: New 99' lude problems

Autozone will check your Engine Light for free, using a handheld OBD2 scanner. Just ask them for the codes, the codes will look like this

P0142, P0332 etc. <--those are just examples, yours will prolly be different.

Then go on the OBD2 website (I believe its OBD2-codes.com or something, google ftw) and you can see what the code is for and what is the best possible fix.

Then you fix whats causing it, and clear the codes. It's a lot easier to clear them yourself and see if the light comes back on, then wait 120 engine starts til it clears it itself.


To clear codes (5th gen) you go into the underhood fuse box. Which means you gotta pop your hood...
It's in your engine bay, passenger side, against the firewall. It's all the way in the corner. Pop the two clips holding it (with your hands, no tools necessary) and remove the cover. You'll see a bunch of different fuses, all in pretty colors. You want to pull the 7.5a CLOCK RADIO fuse. Pull it out, wait 10 SECONDS, then put it back in where you found it. Codes cleared.

Start the car, drive her around for a couple days like you normally drive, and see if it comes back on.



Notes:
-Pulling the radio fuse WILL clear your radio. If its a stock headset, you will need the code to reactivate it before you can use it, or you'll be locked out. (Disconnecting your negative battery terminal will also clear the radio, so always know your radio code)
-The 7.5 amp fuse is BROWN in color. At least I'm pretty sure it is. If you're not sure which one it is, the cover of the fuse box has a handy little diagram.
-You only need to leave the fuse out for 10 seconds. TEN (10). If anyone tells you a different time, they're wrong. Ten MINUTES is for clearing the KAM (Keep alive memory) and you'd do that by leaving off the negative battery cable for ten minutes. You don't need to do that.



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Re: New 99' lude problems

**** guys... feel like i made a bad decision about getting this car.

Now the clutch is acting up. started the car up the other day, pushed clutch in (yes all the way) would not go into any of the gears... the pedal had full pressure in it. Checked the slave/master cylinders.. no visible leaks what so ever, turned car off waited a few minutes started it back up, went into gear...but roughly. It's not shifting smooth as it should. When I test drove it, there was no signs of any of these problems. I had a 4th gen lude before and an ex girlfriend of mine had a 5th gen, which i drove all the time because when she bought it, she didn't know how to drive a standard trans. so I know how the shifting should feel, and there is deffinately something wrong with it. check the clutch fluid level it looks like its actually over filled.. (almost right to the top of the container). my 4th gen had fluid up to the top and it was fine, so don't know what to think.
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**** guys... feel like i made a bad decision about getting this car.

Now the clutch is acting up. started the car up the other day, pushed clutch in (yes all the way) would not go into any of the gears... the pedal had full pressure in it. Checked the slave/master cylinders.. no visible leaks what so ever, turned car off waited a few minutes started it back up, went into gear...but roughly. It's not shifting smooth as it should. When I test drove it, there was no signs of any of these problems. I had a 4th gen lude before and an ex girlfriend of mine had a 5th gen, which i drove all the time because when she bought it, she didn't know how to drive a standard trans. so I know how the shifting should feel, and there is deffinately something wrong with it. check the clutch fluid level it looks like its actually over filled.. (almost right to the top of the container). my 4th gen had fluid up to the top and it was fine, so don't know what to think.
Be sure to check your tranny fluid. If the tranny is low it may cause these types of problems. My buddy had a WRX that started having the same problems you do and all he did was add fluid and it solved the problem.

Also, these problems are pretty standard for an older car. Every car has problems, you just have to fix them
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Re: New 99' lude problems

can't seem to find a list of codes for the 5th gen ludes... just did the "jumper method" and got 5 long blinks, 7 short (57) i think... or else it might have been 6 long, 6 short... sorta hard tell when it transitions from long to short...seems like the wait time between them was long, but the actual blink was short... so I'm thinking its a 57. Also there was one really long blink (1st one)... thats just to indicate the start of a code right?

anyone have a list of codes for 5th gen?
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Re: New 99' lude problems

go find an obd2 scanner on sale somewhere. only 100 to 150 bucks. as for the light coming on, not positive about the lude but many hondas have check engine codes that come up only after a double fail. so for example, your o2 may have been faulty, the previous owner erased it before you drove it, and same when you bought it. its possible. as for the cable, as mentioned, your yellow and red wires out of the deck are either backwards or spliced together. good luck
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Re: New 99' lude problems

ok... so I came across a another thread here @ LudeZone, CEL Codes. I thought I was seeing a CEL code "57" (5 long blinks, 7 short)...or possibly a "66" but according to the thread I linked to above, there is no code "57" or "66". Maybe I'm counting them wrong?

here is a vid I just made real quick of the CEL blinking (after jumping the 2 prong blue female connector, and turning key to on position) It goes through what looks like 2 cycles (shows same code twice..i think) Maybe someone can interpret that for me? Again.. thanks for the help everyone

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I counted 6 long and 7 short, 67. 67 Catalyst system Efficiency Below Threshold
malfunctioning or defective catalyst system. Sooo cat converter I believe it's saying.
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look, there is a much easier way of doin this, they have told ya multiple times. go to a auto parts store or buy an OBD2 Scanner. it will tell u exactly what code is being thrown and possible even ones that have been thrown but not active now. i'm not sure about the 2nd part i know it does that in my big truck, not sure about cars anymore. been 3yrs since i worked on one. when u get the code that is being thrown by the ecu work on fixing the problem. as for the clutch issue, it may very well be low trans fluid. u might have air in the clutch line(idk if thats possible). or u may have a bad clutch. it happens. i mean i'm sure the car has some miles on it, depending on how the previous owner drove it, it could need a clutch. but i would check the other possibilities b4 i went to replacing clutch. this is just my 0.2. I hope it helps. best of luck to you.
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^^^ I dont' have any money to just go out and buy a reader. Plus, even if i did.. I'd spend it on something else... since I'd hardly ever use it. Also, I went to 3 different autozones and called a couple other places (auto parts stores) and all the autozones said its ILLEGAL for them to do that. they said they USED to be able to but can't anymore.

Second.... I got the car into a shop today, and the guy hooked it up to a reader.. was P0420 (1st oxygen sensor) He cleared it, and told me that if the light comes back on before 16 miles, then its a more major issue, and if takes longer than 16 miles to turn on, its a minor issue.

Also, the place i took the car too, specializes in clutches/trannys, After I described to him what was going on... he said (and sounded pretty sure about it too) he thinks that one of the springs in the clutch turned sideways.... said it happens when you downshift from too high of a speed, and that when a spring turns sideways, that shifting will work properly intermitedly, just like my lude is doing.

Last night, went to get smokes, was hard to shift, when I went to go back home, couldn't get it in gear at all.. had to start the car in 1st gear just to get it going. then, had to stop at the exit of the parking lot...then i went to shift into first again...and it was working perfectly normal... then this morning, when I left for school, was still working pefectly all the way to school (~35 miles) 6 hours later when I went to leave school to go home... started car up, couldn't get it in gear. turned it off waited a few minutes, worked perfectly normal... still is working normal now...

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well, the autostores where i live r not bein such pain in the a$$es. they still read obd2. also i foudn a scanner for 50bucks today @ advanced auto parts for obd2. IMHO for 50 bucks, the thing would prolly pay for itself after a couple codes instead of having to take to a shop. unless the shop didn't charge ya. once again, this is just my 0.2 thats all. as for the clutch thing, i'm not a mech, so i was just sayin what i thought of. i never knew clutch could do that. but hey i learned something new 2day... good luck with the lude, glad u go tthe light fixed.
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Second.... I got the car into a shop today, and the guy hooked it up to a reader.. was P0420 (1st oxygen sensor) He cleared it, and told me that if the light comes back on before 16 miles, then its a more major issue, and if takes longer than 16 miles to turn on, its a minor issue.

the guy you talked to is a retard . 0420 is not a 1st o2 code its a cat code . if anything it could be the second 02 ( the one that test the cat ) . where the **** did he get 16 miles from . it is done by speed generally the ecu test the cat at highway speed . nothing to do with miles this guy must be smoking crack ..
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ok well at least i fixed the cd player . The idiot who installed it couldn't take a lil bit of time and effort to do things right..pisses me off.

they cut the factory wire harness off... they can afford to buy a cd player and amp (saw rca's when i had it pulled apart, but no amp now) but they can't spend an extra $5-10 for a wire harness. according to a wire diagram for a 99 prelude the radio constant is supposed to be a blue/white wire, and the radio ignition switched is supposed to be a yellow/red wire. They had hooked up constant to a white/yellow wire, and ignition to a white/red wire, I just switched them around and it worked. But the fact that they were using a white/red & white/yellow wire is still a mystery since according to the wire diagram for a 99 lude, those aren't the correct wires at all.

Also, for the front speakers, they hooked the (+) wires from the head unit to the (-) wires leading to the speaker terminals. I mean they still worked, but all the sound is out of phase.

Then for the rear speakers, they didn't even use the factory wires, they ran new wires (that really cheap a$$ silver/copper colored wire with clear sheathing that's used for home audio)

So I fixed the power problem and the phase problem but didn't even feel like messing with the rear speakers. Bottom line... that guy is an idiot. Do yourself and any possible future owners of your car a favor and hook ur $h!t up right.

Finished just as it was getting dark too, which is good cuz i have no garage or lights to see what i was doin....now its time to go get some food then enjoy 2 of my favorite hobbies.... &
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the guy you talked to is a retard . 0420 is not a 1st o2 code its a cat code . if anything it could be the second 02 ( the one that test the cat ) . where the **** did he get 16 miles from . it is done by speed generally the ecu test the cat at highway speed . nothing to do with miles this guy must be smoking crack ..
i was wondering about this. lol. but i didn't say anything b/c i dont' have a 5th gen. personally after all the trouble he prolly went to just to get the code read, i would have spend 50-70bucks on a scanner. lol. but tahts just me
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funny enough, on my way home last night my cel came on, this morning i walked out to my shed, grabbed my 80 dollar scanner and read my codes. got p0420. catalyst efficiency below threshhold, 1st bank.
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