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Hey guys, ive got a 99 lude 5 speed, purchased a new tranny recently after the purchase of the vehicle in december. about a month, month and a half ago my engine was experiencing some rod knocking, its pretty much dead now. What im looking for is some advice or tips, ive been thinking of keeping the car since its got the new trasmission.

I can replace a few parts while the engine it out, belts, water pump ect. I am just unsure as to what engines are compatable that can fit right in. im not looking to do a crazy swap, i just need the lude back. ive been searching hmo motors been loking at a h22a type s, also curious if a 4th gen h22 or h23 could fit without having to replace incompatable parts. I am not very knowledgable about the internals of cars but i've been willing and wanting to learn. so any and all comments are welcome.
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Re: base model, tips/ advice

you have a prelude SH or a base 5 speed? SH and base have different blocks. if its a base model u have more options with blocks H22 or H23 both will do. if you have the SH model, then u can only be looking at engines that were made for prelude with ATTS.
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Hey guys, ive got a 99 lude 5 speed, purchased a new tranny recently after the purchase of the vehicle in december. about a month, month and a half ago my engine was experiencing some rod knocking, its pretty much dead now. What im looking for is some advice or tips, ive been thinking of keeping the car since its got the new trasmission.

I can replace a few parts while the engine it out, belts, water pump ect. I am just unsure as to what engines are compatable that can fit right in. im not looking to do a crazy swap, i just need the lude back. ive been searching hmo motors been loking at a h22a type s, also curious if a 4th gen h22 or h23 could fit without having to replace incompatable parts. I am not very knowledgable about the internals of cars but i've been willing and wanting to learn. so any and all comments are welcome.
You probably threw a timing belt. Depends on if you shut it down right away or you kept trying to start it or cranking on it. If that is the case your probably looking at having the head reworked, any machine shop can do it they will shave the head, check for bent valves and replace the ones that are then once you get it back you get yourself a nice head gasket re bolt the head following the torque spec on it, then do your timing belt job, you know new water pump, new belts timing and balance shaft belt, new tensioner. Thats about it, I'd say your engine is fine. Its always good to be proactive on doing the timing belt jobs as you never know when its going to go, good rule of thumb is like every 80,000 miles or a little more. Mine kind of let me know before it went I could hear a metallic sound like a bearing going bad and that was exactly what it was the water pump bearing. Good luck.
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right now im looking at a h23a from a 2000 accord wagon,

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it should fit shouldnt it?

i believe its not just a timing belt, the knocking was horrible, i continued to drive to get home, before i even got there the car was struggling to make it accross a main intersection by my house. stalling, barley running, i hope its something simple like a flywheel or timing belt, but i was thinking of this engine, mines already has over 140k, i dont waa have to go back under the hood for a while.. limited $. im limited on time as well

dead link sorry, here it is http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30031

i have a base model

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I forget if the base model has a USDM H22a4 in it or not, I think it does. However, Base engines/trannys and typeSH engines/trannys are NOT compatible.

The typeSH came with a h22a4 in the US, and the H22a Type S in Japan. Neither a H22a4 meant for an SH or a H22a Type S will fit into your car unless you want to do some modifications, which involves a new engine, tranny, ATTS control module, new trans mounts, etc.

The engines available for your car is whatever the hell came stock in it, or the JDM H22a1 (blacktop), which is OBD1. Both will fit into your car with very little modifications. The US engine (stock) will drop right in, its the same one as you have now, the JDM (japanese) engine will require some slight modification, but its a very common swap.

The other common engine swap I know of that you could do is throwing in a H23a (bluetop) engine. However, expect some modification/fabrication to get it to work.


If you don't want a hassle or don't want to spend too much money, let me suggest getting either the OEM engine for your car or a JDM H22a1 from a reputable dealer. Those are your easiest and cheapest swaps.





Just to recap:

Base model engine swaps: OEM engine(?), H22a1 blacktop

SH model engine swaps: H22a4, H22a Type S

I'm pretty sure you can put a H23a bluetop in either car, but it will require modification. There are also plenty of other possible engine swaps, like Euro engines, F series engines and K series engines. However I don't know much about any engines either than the H22a4 SH, H22a1 and H22a Type S. So someone else will have to fill in the blanks there.



You CAN put a Type S motor into a base model, or a H22a motor into an SH. But in both cases you would also need to swap the transmission, transmission mounts, and prolly do some other modification. It's not too hard but its definitely harder and more expensive. You can technically put just about any honda/acura engine into either car, it just depends on how much time, money and effort you want to put into it. This is why I really only described the most common swaps.
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Re: base model, tips/ advice

Just put the new block in truthfully, u dont want to spend money trying to find out whats wrong with it when u could just get the new block and forget about it
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Re: base model, tips/ advice

the stock engine is a h22a4, im looking at this

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30031

im planning on replacing the timing belt water pumpect. while the engine is out, along with maybe a new fidanza flywheel. those along with the new engine i dont think problems should occur. let me know if what i have here is a possiblility. thanks for all the ideas, help and comments people.
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Just put the new block in truthfully, u dont want to spend money trying to find out whats wrong with it when u could just get the new block and forget about it
I am of the same thinking as you are, it might be cheaper to fix it, it might not be, but at least if you throw in a new engine you will not only get peace of mind, but you're also starting from a fresh slate. That's what I was going to do before my plans fell through, now I'm stuck trying to fix all the problems with my engine and let me tell you, I still wish I could have just replaced the whole friggin thing. I'm eventually going to, but it's not going to be anytime soon.

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the stock engine is a h22a4, im looking at this

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30031

im planning on replacing the timing belt water pumpect. while the engine is out, along with maybe a new fidanza flywheel. those along with the new engine i dont think problems should occur. let me know if what i have here is a possiblility. thanks for all the ideas, help and comments people.
Yeah I didn't know for sure if the stock engine was a h22a4 or not, and didn't want to say without absolute certainty. Also kudos for finding HMO, they're definitely the company I would buy my new engine from.

Also note that if you buy an engine from HMO, their warranty will not cover your engine unless you replace the timing belt, water pump, distributor rotor and cap, spark plugs and spark plug wires as well as possibly one or two other things. They have the whole list posted on their site.
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right now im looking at a h23a from a 2000 accord wagon,

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it should fit shouldnt it?

i believe its not just a timing belt, the knocking was horrible, i continued to drive to get home, before i even got there the car was struggling to make it accross a main intersection by my house. stalling, barley running, i hope its something simple like a flywheel or timing belt, but i was thinking of this engine, mines already has over 140k, i dont waa have to go back under the hood for a while.. limited $. im limited on time as well

dead link sorry, here it is http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30031

i have a base model
Well you do know that when that belt goes the valves stick open and when the piston comes up it hits the valves because there isn't enough clearance or valve cut outs on the pistons themselves. A bent valve sounds really bad. Or when you bought your car the previous owner did the valve damage and only fixed the timing belt. I don't nknow

Mine has 160K and it runs great these motors can do well over half a million miles if maintained properly.

Just today my brother missed 2nd in his 06 RSX type S, so I was able to track with him once in vtec in 2nd and switching to third we were neck in neck. His 06 only has 40K. If he hit second right then I would have had my doors blown off. But this little 5th Gen of mine runs strong. No power adders only has a cheap eBay intake (short ram). But it is possible the guy or gal before you dooged the s#!t out of it.

I had a 3rd Gen that the guy's oil light was on and he just kept driving started overheating he kept driving. So he finally stops and gets some oil well just quarter mile down the road low oil again. what a dummy. Needless to say he threw the #2 piston rod right thru the front of the motor. So I offered him $60 for the car and found a motor shipped for $400.

If you think yours was this bad, look closely behind the exhaust manifold or header, you might have a cracked block if so you threw a rod.
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I forget if the base model has a USDM H22a4 in it or not, I think it does. However, Base engines/trannys and typeSH engines/trannys are NOT compatible.

The typeSH came with a h22a4 in the US, and the H22a Type S in Japan. Neither a H22a4 meant for an SH or a H22a Type S will fit into your car unless you want to do some modifications, which involves a new engine, tranny, ATTS control module, new trans mounts, etc.

The engines available for your car is whatever the hell came stock in it, or the JDM H22a1 (blacktop), which is OBD1. Both will fit into your car with very little modifications. The US engine (stock) will drop right in, its the same one as you have now, the JDM (japanese) engine will require some slight modification, but its a very common swap.

The other common engine swap I know of that you could do is throwing in a H23a (bluetop) engine. However, expect some modification/fabrication to get it to work.


If you don't want a hassle or don't want to spend too much money, let me suggest getting either the OEM engine for your car or a JDM H22a1 from a reputable dealer. Those are your easiest and cheapest swaps.





Just to recap:

Base model engine swaps: OEM engine(?), H22a1 blacktop

SH model engine swaps: H22a4, H22a Type S

I'm pretty sure you can put a H23a bluetop in either car, but it will require modification. There are also plenty of other possible engine swaps, like Euro engines, F series engines and K series engines. However I don't know much about any engines either than the H22a4 SH, H22a1 and H22a Type S. So someone else will have to fill in the blanks there.



You CAN put a Type S motor into a base model, or a H22a motor into an SH. But in both cases you would also need to swap the transmission, transmission mounts, and prolly do some other modification. It's not too hard but its definitely harder and more expensive. You can technically put just about any honda/acura engine into either car, it just depends on how much time, money and effort you want to put into it. This is why I really only described the most common swaps.


Yes the Base has the H22A4
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Re: base model, tips/ advice

so im planning on checking and replacing the spark plugs, spark plug wires, timing belt, water pump,rotor and tension pully.

hoping the issue is just a timing belt, or the timing is off and that i dont need a new engine. if i do need a new engine those thigs need to be replaced in order for it to be valid under hmotorsonline warantee., do you think its plausable to get these things fixed within a week
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