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Old 08-15-2010, 12:59 AM
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Intermittent no-start condition.

A.K.A. - The car won't start...occasionally.


Nothing seems to trigger it, and nothing really seems to help it. Just randomly, the car won't start. And as I sit there, turning the key again and again, it'll just start randomly. Sometimes it only does it for one try of the key, sometimes twenty.

When I turn the key to start position and the problem occurs, all dash lights come on and you can hear the fuel pump hum. But no turning over, no clicking noise, no whining noise, just silence.



Things I think could be causing it:

1. My clutch is shot, and slipping. Although nothing seems to be really causing it, I have a hunch it could be clutch/trans/clutch pedal related. Also, when I flushed and bled my clutch, it seemed to help, or at least it stopped doing it for awhile. Also making sure the clutch is ALL the way crammed to the floor seems to help every now and again.

2. My negative battery cable is exposed and frayed towards the bottom, near the chassis. Yea goddamit I know. I'll be replacing it soon, but I really don't think that's the problem. Although it certainly isn't helping, I know.


3. I heard there was an Ignition TSB released for the 5th gens. I tried searching for it on Mitchell but couldn't find it. Anyone have anymore info on it?
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

1. A bad clutch wouldn't cause the car not to start. There's a switch on the pedal that when you press down, it'll allow the car to start. A bad clutch just causes slippage when shifting

2. The frayed cable wire is normal and is on pretty much all Preludes. Don't know why it is, but every Prelude I've seen has that.

3. This could be the issue with your car. There was a recall several years back for the ignition switch, so you may possibly have a bad one. Also, you may have a bad starter and/or need to clean your battery terminals if there's corrosion on them.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

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1. A bad clutch wouldn't cause the car not to start. There's a switch on the pedal that when you press down, it'll allow the car to start. A bad clutch just causes slippage when shifting

2. The frayed cable wire is normal and is on pretty much all Preludes. Don't know why it is, but every Prelude I've seen has that.

3. This could be the issue with your car. There was a recall several years back for the ignition switch, so you may possibly have a bad one. Also, you may have a bad starter and/or need to clean your battery terminals if there's corrosion on them.
1. Which is why I mentioned the clutch pedal. Also (and correct me if I'm wrong) when the clutch gets more and more worn down does it not slightly change the engagement on the pedal? Mine lets out really high, and I was told that it is prolly because my clutch is getting worn down, so the engagement height would change. Which in essense could make the pedal not connect with the switch unless it was crammed all the way to the floor. However I thought it engaging high might just be my pedal out of adjustment.

2. Are you sure? Seems like it would just be because its old and corroded, not a design feature. Frayed and corroded cables don't sound like factory to me.

3. I've heard about the recall/TSB. What I was wondering is if anyone knew for sure whether it was a recall OR a TSB, and whether or not Honda will pay for it, and what the exact symptoms of a bad one were.

You can assume my starter is fine. Also you can assume my terminals are clean.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

1. The pedal engagment doesn't change. If you look down by your pedal and push it down by hand, you'll see a little black button that pops out. Whenever that pops out, that'll send the signal to be able to start the car. So having a bad clutch doesn't affect your starting at all.

When I had my very first Prelude, as I was driving to the shop to have my clutch changed(This was when I didn't know much about cars) the clutch just completely went out, but I was still able to start the car just fine. This theory also happened again when I was working on another guys car and the same exact thing happened..

2. Positive or I wouldn't post it up. You can change it out if you'd like. When I did my wire tuck, I just simply used 4g ground wire from an amp kit I had.

3. There was a recall on these back in 99 I believe, cause peoples cars would shut down while drive or just simply wouldn't start. This was also an issue in some 4th Gens. Do you have a lot of stuff on your key chain? When you have a lot of keys or useless junk, the weight of it can cause the tumbler to mess up inside the ignition cylinder.

You can take your starter to Auto Zone and they can test it for free just to be sure it's still good.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

i called honda about the recall and they told me they either fix or replace the key ignition.

the problem was that you could accidentally turn off the car while driving and lock the wheel( be able to take the key out)

////what honda told me////
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

i had the ignition switch problem on my old 4th gen. I used to have a lot of things on my keyes, and the switch took a big dump on me. I would just say try to change the switch. It can't be very expensive. a lil hard to change though
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

I can vouch for that exposed ground wire on the bottom side, my sisters 4g and my 5g both have it, even her brand new battery cables had that exposed portion.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

How many miles does your Lude have on it? Now if its like 120 to 150K I'd say your starter if it hasn't been already replaced I'd say your brushes are worn and you either need to have it rebuilt or buy a reman starter.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

oh idk....165k.

really don't think its the starter, i can test it though once my brother gives me back my DMM.


....yes, I can test my own starter, autozone can stick it.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

you just need to call your local honda and they can give you all the details on the recall and if your car has had it fixed or not. if it hasnt this a free service, you'll just have to schedule an appt with them.
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Re: Intermittent no-start condition.

Free? Nice, I like free.


I'll have to schedule an appointment with them once I get back in OH. Don't have enough time to do it here, I gotta leave sunday.
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oh idk....165k.

really don't think its the starter, i can test it though once my brother gives me back my DMM.


....yes, I can test my own starter, autozone can stick it.


Thats the thing mine tested good a few times then bad others,,, see when you have a hard time to start the brushes are in a spot where they don't conduct enough and hince the starter doesn't turn, other times the brushes are close enough and makes good contact then it will start. Next time its hard to start trying rapping on the side of the starter a bit with a big wrench or small hammer and then try starting it I bet it will start.

If nothing else look at the stater if it still has the starter that has the Honda sticker on it then I am 99.9% sure its the starter.

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