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Old 08-12-2010, 11:39 AM
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#2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

i've had my check engine light on for a little while now and i got the codes read and it said this and faulty O2 sensor. i'm working on getting a new O2 sensor this weekend but what do i do about the #2 cylinder misfire?? i am by no means a mechanic so "instructions for dummies" would be appreciated, lol. thanks ahead of time guys.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

If your cylinder is misfiring, it can cause a faulty oxygen sensor trouble code. Does the car smell like its running rich? Try checking for spark on that cylinder, and then check for fuel. Are there any odd sounds? Any symptoms leading up to this?
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

oooohh... so i should wait on the sensor and do some troubleshooting first, huh? the car does smell like it's running a little rich and i've been told my car puffs out a black could every now and again but nothing crazy. how do you check for spark and fuel on a cylinder? no odd sounds really but it does hesitate like crazy when i punch it at low rpm's. like i could floor it and nothing will happen and then little by little it'll start jerking its way up to speed. this usually happends between 1500-3000 rpm. when it does this i'll just hit the clutch, shut the car off, and start it back up again and usually it'll fix itself. but as soon as i go to punch it again, same sh*t happens... basically my lude has no balls right now =( HELP!
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

While it is running, pull the wire off of spark plug number 2, and hold it against a bolt nearby and see if it makes a spark on the bolt.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

ok, how about fuel?
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

The only real way to do that is to take the fuel rail and injectors out and test them.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

is that fairly easy to do or is this something i should be getting some help with? how do i know which injector goes to cyl 2? sorry for all the questiong and thanks for all ur help.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

No offense, but I think you should enlist the help of a friend with removing the fuel rail. It's simple, but it is easy to damage stuff or lose nuts/bolts/seals/etc. while you're in there.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

none taken. i'd rather have someone help me out then make matters worse. thanks for all ur help phantom. it's greatly appreciated. once the fuel rail is out, are the fuel injectors easily accessible?

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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

They should come up with the fuel rail, if I remember right. If they don't then yeah they're right there in the open once you get the rail off.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

ok so once the rails off then turn it on and see if they're working?
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

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tune up!! new plugs wires distributor cap and rotor.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

did it all minus a fuel filter
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

i know it might sound odd but i had an o2 sensor go out and was getting misfire and random misfire codes. got plugs wires and dizzy cap. fixed it for a short while then they came back. i had my mechanic do a valve lash adjustment and that fixed the misfire codes. have not had a code since then
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

valve adjustment huh? how much did that run you? was your car acting the same as mentioned above?
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

It should not run you more than $120 ish. That should include the price of the valve cover gasket. Do you have much valve clatter? I'm not saying this is the problem in your case but I had alot of the same symptoms and the adjustment fixed my misfires.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

i don't think i do... i wouldn't know what it sounds like though...
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

it might just be normal wear on the engine..my sis has an accord and does the same thing hers has i believe 200k miles. you might need need new crankshaft.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

How many miles are on the car?

Preludes fairly commonly run rich, as to my knowledge, but it can always be too rich.

If it has a lot of miles, say past 150,000, your fuel pressure regulator could have went bad, dumping in too much fuel. I would say its a safe bet your fuel filter is not clogged up, sounds like its getting plenty of fuel.

If you did the regular tune up stuff (replaced: spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor rotor & cap) it could still be electrical. Test your ignition coil. Unfortunately it requires a DMM (digital multi-meter) and you need to know how to test it. Its actually not hard, you just gotta look up the procedure.

It also could be incorrect timing. When was the last time your timing belt was changed?

Possibly a valve adjustment could be needed. You can do it yourself, hell I could give you the exact procedure and specs off of Mitchell, I'm about to do one today. However it may be out of your scope of ability or comfort level, and it isn't too expensive to have one done.

Lastly, there are other things that can cause the problem, but let's start with the easiest/most inexpensive first.


P.S. - Actually I should have asked this first but....what type of motor oil and what grade of gasoline are you using?


P.S.S. - Improperly adjusted valves can differ in sound depending on severity of out-of-adjustment, but generally you'll get a valve tap. Which just so happens to sound like a tapping noise.


Also inform us of any other noises you hear when the car is idling or in operation under normal conditions.











Now since I'm really, really tired, my post was probably a little discombobulated. So I will provide a list of information you should provide us.

1. What viscosity motor oil are you using? When was it last changed?
2. What grade of gasoline are you using?
3. What does your coolant look like?
4. Does your car overheat at all? (I'm going to guess no)
5. What type of noises do you hear when the car is idling/driven?
6. When the car is idling, pop the hood and stick your head relatively above the intake manifold. Do you hear a hissing/sucking noise?
7. Did you see any other codes on the gizmo?
8. When was timing belt last changed?
9. How many miles on car? Year/make/model/trim?
10. When did this all start? Recently? A long time ago? All of a sudden? Gradually?
11. With the car idling, pop the hood and pinch the PCV hose quick and let go. Does it make a click noise when you let it go? (There are two hoses coming out of your valve cover. The one I'm talking about goes to your intake manifold and is connected to a plastic part with a 90 degree elbow to it that is stuck in your valve cover. Thats your PCV hose.)



I ran out of questions for now. Also, this might seem a bit tedious to give us a bunch of seemingly pointless information, but its part of the diagnosis. This is why mechanics usually (keyword: usually) ask you a bunch of questions whenever you bring your car in. Helps us help you and all that jazz.
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

1. 10W-30 (it burns through oil so i decided to go just a little bit thicker)
2. 93 octane
3. idk, haven't looked.
4. no, but i can smell oil burning if i drive with the windows down.
5. idling, the only thing i notice that's odd is it will suddenly drop rpms down to 400ish almost to the stalling point and then they'll come right back up. driving, can't hear much due to the exhaust . everything feels normal while driving except what i described up on that top post.

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no odd sounds really but it does hesitate like crazy when i punch it at low rpm's. like i could floor it and nothing will happen and then little by little it'll start jerking its way up to speed. this usually happends between 1500-3000 rpm. when it does this i'll just hit the clutch, shut the car off, and start it back up again and usually it'll fix itself. but as soon as i go to punch it again, same sh*t happens...
6. i'll get back to you on this.
7. nope, just o2 sensor and #2 misfire.
8. i believe the previous owner said around 110k ish.
9. 146,600, 98 SH
10. it started about 6 months ago but i just recently got the codes read.
11. i still have to do this. i'm at work...
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I'll digest, process and analyze information, then get back to you.

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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

if all else fails with above info do a compression test if your burning to much oil and having power problems could be bad ring in that cylinder i had tha same problem had an f22a1 n ended up putn a motor from an accord a f22b2 so i can rebuild my a1 forged out
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from what im reading it sounds like a bad ring a compression test will tell you if it is and if it is its gona be an internal job
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

My 98 SH had a cyl 1 misfire, and random misfire codes since the day i got it. It had 150k when i bought it. Changed everything possible (spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor, entire distributor) and nothing helped. When it hit 198K, my prelude just shut off one day. Did a comression test and cyl 1 only held 30psi :( . I took the head off and did a simple test on the head and the exhaust valve was leaking. That was causing my misfire.

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from what im reading it sounds like a bad ring a compression test will tell you if it is and if it is its gona be an internal job
awesome, thanks! is a compresion test something i can have done at any store or am i gonna have to put her in the shop?
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Re: #2 cylinder misfire, WTF do i do?!

my buddy just bought a 97 w/ 150k on it. had the same problem. we did a tuneup w/ plugs wires cap and rotor. we did both o2 sensors and still had the problem. ended up replacing the catalytic converter w/ a magnaflo high flow cat and fixed it. after that we did the egr service for good measure.
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