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H22A Type S Swap

Just got my Prelude SH back from the shop, come to find out, 2 of my cylinders are misfiring. No better excuse to swap the motor...well, maybe the 170000 miles also. I have been looking into a JDM Type S swap. If anyone has done this I would really appreciate some info on any complications (if any), and the performance of this type of swap. Also, would the Type S motor conflict with my ATTS and stock tranny? I just replaced the tranny about a month ago, no it's time for the motor
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Just got my Prelude SH back from the shop, come to find out, 2 of my cylinders are misfiring. No better excuse to swap the motor...well, maybe the 170000 miles also. I have been looking into a JDM Type S swap. If anyone has done this I would really appreciate some info on any complications (if any), and the performance of this type of swap. Also, would the Type S motor conflict with my ATTS and stock tranny? I just replaced the tranny about a month ago, no it's time for the motor
Type S comes with atts. if you do a Type S swap you should get everything and plug and play
But keep in mind type s engines with ecu are expensive!
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

I was under the impression I could swap using the pre-existing ECU without any problems. I must have been misled. I have been quoted at about 5500 for the swap. It could be cheaper if I find my own motor. any suggestions on where to look? I've looked at hmotors and a few other places.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

ive seen em on ebay for around 3k. but engines usually come with ECU's anyway. and andrei91 is right, type s's came with atts already, so youre stock SH tranny will be fine. as for dropping it in, goes in without any hassle, direct replacement. performance wise, a little ballsier
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Thanks alot. I appreciate the help. Compatibility was my main concern, and if more power comes from it, all the better
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

id consider rebuilding your motor.

depending on your build the type s would be a waste of money.

the type s motor has 3 main points.

11.1 compression ratio

cams that are pretty much stage 1 cams.

and a 62mm throttle body which is the same as an AP1 S2000

if you plan to do forced induction or replace the cams i would pass on the type S motor.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

$5500 is buttsecks,HMotorsOnline $ 3299.00 + shipping which is about $400, and it brings:
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If you just want the engine give em a call and see what they can do for you. Do you plan on doing the swap yourself?
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

The reason I was looking at the Type S is because of the higher compression ratio. I don't have the time to take on this project right now, so I'm taking it to a shop. Also, I don't need a tranny, I just swapped it 2 months ago. I may call Hmotors and see what they can do. I've heard good things about Bustr Built, i'll look him up. Thanks
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

For 5500 the mechanics will take and about 4000 for a shipped engine you can rebuild your engine to higher compression and more ponies then the type s engine
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

The 5500 Estimate included the engine and labor. I am also considering a rebuild. Just want to explore all options before this investment. I will be doing the work during my X-mas break in December.
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just run it NA.... itll be fine.

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Re: H22A Type S Swap

i have tried the swap in my 99 base and first the wiring harnes was different. so we traded the tranny and harnes. then my drivers side cv shaft wouldnt bolt to the block so we finaly said screw it and sent the motor back and got another base motor but seing that yours is a type sh the type s motor should be a plug and play
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

you have to modify the harness on the type s motor tho i believe the stock motor harness will work to.

the harness on the type s will be too short to reach the left side of the firewall as the motor is gonna prolly come from a rhd car.
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you have to modify the harness on the type s motor tho i believe the stock motor harness will work to.

the harness on the type s will be too short to reach the left side of the firewall as the motor is gonna prolly come from a rhd car.
the harness will have to either be modified to be about 3 to 5 inches longer. or you can slightly pull it and it wont be in the factory clips this way but it will work because that is how it is on my car and the harness is alittle under the factory clips.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

Type S fits into an SH *almost* perfectly. However, I have heard of people running into complications. Nothing serious, but they are NOT direct plug and play.

Some things need to be slightly modified, and as I said, nothing major.


Unfortunately, that's where my knowledge of the subject ends. I never even considered the swap myself, I was going to go with a H22A, before sht went downhill, and considering the H22a base needs its own trans to be swapped into an SH, it prolly would have been dam near the same price either way.

Rebuilding your motor is also an option, and although cheaper, it very well might be more of a pain in the butt, seeing as you'll have to send out the block to be milled/cleaned/whatever the hell they do with it, and buy all new seals, springs, kanooter valves, etc.

My roommate seriously spent about the last 6 months rebuilding his Toyota Tercel motor, although he is broke and very lazy.
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i have tried the swap in my 99 base and first the wiring harnes was different. so we traded the tranny and harnes. then my drivers side cv shaft wouldnt bolt to the block so we finaly said screw it and sent the motor back and got another base motor but seing that yours is a type sh the type s motor should be a plug and play
that is pretty much as far as my knoledge on that swap is im not to familar with the sh but i have tried the type s motor in a base and we would need a diff wiring harness to go thru the firewall and that way not the motor harness.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

assuming your block doesnt need to be re honed id grab some type s pistons new rings.

do you know what the misfire is being caused by?
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

I am unsure what is causing the misfire, but would like to know. I am misfiring in cylinders 2 and 4. The mechanic I took it to was a bonehead, but was able to run a compression test. Since then, I have researched rebuilds/rebuilders in my area. I have found someone who is very good at machine work and am looking into a rebuild. Like I said earlier, exploring all options. I am shooting for an N/A build so something with higher compression would be great.
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Just don't raise the compression past 12.5:1 - I believe anything higher than that and you can no longer run on pump gas.
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Just don't raise the compression past 12.5:1 - I believe anything higher than that and you can no longer run on pump gas.
correct.

and the highest compression ratio pistons you can buy with out sleeving the block are the 11.5-1 cr from mahle

what area of ca are you in...u anywhere near palm sprngs\cathedral city?

if you are or can get your car there i know the best mechanic out here
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if your going for speed go with the rebuild but on the other hand if you are going for reliability go with the new motor new motors tend to last longer than rebuilt motors.
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correct.

and the highest compression ratio pistons you can buy with out sleeving the block are the 11.5-1 cr from mahle

what area of ca are you in...u anywhere near palm sprngs\cathedral city?

if you are or can get your car there i know the best mechanic out here
I'm up in Fresno, and have heard really good things about a local machine shop here. I still need to go visit. I'm leaning toward the 11.5:1 pistons. I need some work on the block anyway and for now, my performance goals are realistic.


During the rebuild I am considering:
-Crower spring and STEEL retainer set (for high mileage)
-Skunk2 stage 2 N/A Camshafts (Tuner Series)
-Skunk2 pro series Cam gears?? should I stick to all tuner series??
-skunk2 +0.5mm valves
-mahle pistons 11.5-1 CR
-Crower Connecting Rods

I know I started this thread as a Type S swap, my apologies for flippin' a 180.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

i re built my motor last year my friends shop did it hes the only one that works there dude did an amazing job he also drives a 99 prelude. he had a machine shop do the head. tho its a distance you car is in good hands at his shop


your gonna need to do a manual tensioner swap if you put in stiffer valve springs otherwise your auto tensioner is gonna fail

if you get over size valves get the 1mm ones and make sure the machine shop knows how to bore the head to make them fit and get a 3 angle valve job.

also depending on the cams you gotta watch valve to valve clearance with oversize valves if your not runnin stage 3s you should be fine.

if you can afford it id also get arp bolts all around.

one last note. id just use type S pistons they are wayyyy less than the mahle.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

I haven't seriously thought of taking my car out of the area for the rebuild...depending on how I feel about my local shop, I may consider. manual tensioner noted. I searched around a little for Type S pistons, no luck on a legit place. any suggestions?
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

I got mine from hmotorsonline.com and the rings from hondapartsunlimited.com all the oem parts minus the pistons came from honda parts unlimited

edit: let me know if you need a parts list for the manual tensioner swap
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also do you know what your cel codes were? the misfire might be caused by something thats an easy fix....

not sure why we didnt think of that earlier lol twas a nice huurrr durrrr moment
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UntoTheCruel: I found a manual tensioner swap parts list on honda-tech. It looks quick and easy...cross my fingers. ha! I'm pulling codes P0302 AND P0304, cylinder 2 & 4 misfire.
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

well folks, I've decided to swap the motor and rebuild the old block...slowly but surely. I've chosen the Type S and also to do the work myself. put about 3 days in it so far and hoping to pull the block by Sunday, work allowing. here's some pics
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Re: H22A Type S Swap

some updated progress. I'm ordering the new motor beginning of the week, so hopefully I have some time this coming weekend to install
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