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I recently got a 2000 Honda prelude with a factory audio system. The cd player isn't working and I am stuck listening to godawful radio stations all day. I am wanting to put an aftermarket headunit in and am considering a Pioneer DEH-P6200BT CD receiver. I had a couple questions.
1.) Will this headunit work alright with the factory speakers?
2.) I have a moderately loud cat back exhaust on my lude, am I wasting my time with the build-in bluetooth? I am afraid the mic will pick up all the background noise from the exhaust.
I appreciate any feedback!
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Re: Aftermarket Headunit

1) Yes. Provided you aren't expecting windscreen shattering bass and perfect SQ they will work fine.
2) It may pick up some of the background noise, depends on how good the mic is. Since my opinion of pioneer's car audio products rates them as being somewhere between crap and not worth rubbish I'll hazard a guess that it will pick up some noise. If this concerns you I would talk louder.
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Yea, I'm not expecting anything too amazing. I'd be satisfied if it was equal quality to the factory system. Once I have more money I will worry about getting something nice. I just need a cd player because I can't handle hearing Airplanes or Billionaire one more time!!
So what would you recommend? Alpine?
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BT will be tough to use. I have stock exhaust, 40 series tires that are quieter than most I looked at and at 70-80 it is EXTREMELY hard to use and I have a Kenwood Excelon with good, Parrot built BT. If you really just need something to get you by then look at like a Kenwood KDC-MP145 Very inexpensive, raido, CD, aux in on the front. You will probably find it from a legit dealer for $99. $249 can get you a real nice deck. Personally I would stay away from Alpine. Just my experiece with them. We had them in the shop for less than a year. I tried to have a really open mind as I thought it would be a benefitial line to have. Turns out it was. People played with an Alpine and it made a Kenwood sale too easy.
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I got this one CDX-GT540UI | Xplōd™ CD Receiver | Sony | Sony Style USA on newegg for $109 with free shipping and couldn't be happier! It's not on newegg anymore though, but you can find it cheaper. Also needed a new dash kit so it would fit.
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BT will be tough to use. I have stock exhaust, 40 series tires that are quieter than most I looked at and at 70-80 it is EXTREMELY hard to use and I have a Kenwood Excelon with good, Parrot built BT. If you really just need something to get you by then look at like a Kenwood KDC-MP145 Very inexpensive, raido, CD, aux in on the front. You will probably find it from a legit dealer for $99. $249 can get you a real nice deck. Personally I would stay away from Alpine. Just my experiece with them. We had them in the shop for less than a year. I tried to have a really open mind as I thought it would be a benefitial line to have. Turns out it was. People played with an Alpine and it made a Kenwood sale too easy.
the problem with this.... is that the customer probably went in with a mindset of "i'm getting a Kenwood", then looked over at the Alpine, saw it was a wee bit cheaper, took a gander, then put it down and went with the Kenwood.
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the problem with this.... is that the customer probably went in with a mindset of "i'm getting a Kenwood", then looked over at the Alpine, saw it was a wee bit cheaper, took a gander, then put it down and went with the Kenwood.
That's actually completely backward. Alpine as a name sells. There are soooo many plugs for Alpine all over the internet that have no clue WHY they like it. Ask anyone else in the industry. Some people call it the monkey sale a monkey could do it. Just like a Cadillac salesman. When someone goes into a Cadillac dealer they WANT a Cadillac. Only difference is with Kenwood on the board next to it you have aLexus dealership next door and peoples eyes veer to the side and they ask questions about it. They use it, they buy it.
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Re: Aftermarket Headunit

Eeeew Sony headunits.

Anyway... I've loved my Pioneer headunits. Unfortunately, Pioneer has a couple downfalls. First, they have terrible FM reception. This isn't just my experience; many others have said the same thing. Second, many suffer from noise in the RCA outputs. This won't be a problem for you, because you aren't adding any amplifiers to the mix (yet), but it may be something to keep in mind for the future. This can be remedied by soldering a short section of wire to the ground on the RCAs' terminal and connecting it to the radio's chassis.

Other than that, I love mine. Many more features for the buck than most other manufacturers, and they sound pretty good. They're no Eclipse or McIntosh (for you big money grippers out there), but you can't beat them for the price.
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I got the Alpine CDA-105. Its awesome sound for the money and the built in ipod connection is the tits!

I didn't waste my time with bluetooth because Ive found them very hard to use. Personal preference
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I didn't waste my time with bluetooth because Ive found them very hard to use. Personal preference
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Eeeew Sony headunits.

Anyway... I've loved my Pioneer headunits. Unfortunately, Pioneer has a couple downfalls. First, they have terrible FM reception. This isn't just my experience; many others have said the same thing. Second, many suffer from noise in the RCA outputs. This won't be a problem for you, because you aren't adding any amplifiers to the mix (yet), but it may be something to keep in mind for the future. This can be remedied by soldering a short section of wire to the ground on the RCAs' terminal and connecting it to the radio's chassis.

Other than that, I love mine. Many more features for the buck than most other manufacturers, and they sound pretty good. They're no Eclipse or McIntosh (for you big money grippers out there), but you can't beat them for the price.
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The "problem" with pioneer Head units and the noisy output is caused from "hot Swapping" the RCA outputs. ie: swappin' the leads with the power on. Doing so burns out the little pico fuse on the board, thus introducing a ground loop... and you have noise.
the soldering a wire, or wrapping a wire, around the shields is not a proper fix and usually does not work. - sorry to burst any bubbles.

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You CAN just solder a jumper across this but then you forfeit the protection of the fuse for the next time you hot swap and short the RCA's again.

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The "problem" with pioneer Head units and the noisy output is caused from "hot Swapping" the RCA outputs. ie: swappin' the leads with the power on. Doing so burns out the little pico fuse on the board, thus introducing a ground loop... and you have noise.
the soldering a wire, or wrapping a wire, around the shields is not a proper fix and usually does not work. - sorry to burst any bubbles.


You CAN just solder a jumper across this but then you forfeit the protection of the fuse for the next time you hot swap and short the RCA's again.

LOL!
I knew about that lol. I didn't want to get THAT technical. In any case, kudos to you. I didn't think a whole lot of people who haven't been heavy into the audio world would have known about that.

And I've grounded mine plenty of times by the shields lol. I just didn't feel like cracking my units open.

What I wonder is why they have that fuse there, and what exactly it protects?
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i have an avic 700bt and i love it . with the 3.0 firware the headunit is awsome id deff say go with the pioneer the factory speakers sound pretty good with this head unit but they sound even better with my sub . has alot of features to play with and im pretty happy overall ive always been an alpine man but i love this headunit
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I loved my Pioneer headunit in my Sable (lol). Only complaint is that the Auxiliary port quit working. I'd have to pull the Aux cable out a bit to make it work, but the driver's speaker never worked when I had it on Aux. But on say USB or Tuner it'd work fine. I just plugged my iPhone in the USB port after that. Worked perfect. :)
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the pico fuse was primarily placed there to prevent shorts from harming the output stage on the board. As in when someone hotswaps the RCA's and literally shorts the +/-

it also has some relations to preventing /isolating ground loop feedback noise, but that was more of an afterthought or "added" benefit of it. As you can tell by the fact when you pop it, you get a terrible whining noise.
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Right, right... but I just don't understand how hotswapping is shorting anything out. Maybe I just don't have my thinking cap on lately.
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feed back from an amplifier.... wether you short it out or not, will also cause the problem...

aka ground loops, shorts, etc etc.
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Thanks for the input guys. I'm just going to forget about the BT because it sounds like its not worth the extra money. I went and messed with the Pioneer DEH-3200UB and Pioneer DEH-P5200HD at Besbuy and I didn't like the feel of them at all. The control knob just felt awkward and loose. Any suggestions on a good unit under $200 that I can upgrade with later when I have some more cash?

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I would try to find a used Eclipse headunit. They can be had for under $200, and they're pretty nice.
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