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Old 05-22-2010, 03:11 AM
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Raising the 5th gen lude to glory, a disscussion

For starters I apologize if this is in the wrong section of the forum, but it is about a 5th gen, so I shouldn't be too off base. Secondly I apologize if this thread doesn't seem to have a point, as I kinda ramble and I'm not really looking for any one definitive answer. That being said...

My car is an 01 type SH. I bought it roughly a year ago and we've had a rough history. First, I probably paid too much for it, second, it decided to blow the rear main days after I got it, and third, I found it it had been in an accident after I bought it. The one car I didn't check the carfax for...

The guy I bought it from did not know much about cars, and I have no idea if the guy who built it (who owned it after the accident, before the guy I bought it from) knew much about cars, although he owns his own shop. He told me he built up the engine with type S internals, porting, blah blah blah. He also told me the kid I bought it from redlined the crap out of it before it was even broken in, and the builder seemed genuinely pissed that the kid that bought it from him abused his creation. Anyway I don't know if it was the builder's fault or the kids fault, but what I do know is this.

Even after the rear main was replaced, it leaks quite a bit of oil. 2-3 quarts between every oil change. Also, it's slow. Like really slow for a lude, slower than a stock lude, even though the engine is supposedly worked.

At this point I don't know who to believe, I have no idea what work was done to the car, but have decided that I need a working car, and I want to restore the car to it's former glory.

To simplify matters, I'm starting with a new engine. My budget is limited, so I'm throwing in a jdm H22a blacktop to replace the H22a4 that's in there. I'm also replacing at least one of the front strut rods (raduis rod) because it's bent and throwing off my caster angle, making the car drift to the right and causing bump steer, which makes the handling unstable and unpredictable. My cat is shot and rattles, so I'm replacing it with a test pipe, mostly because I can't afford a hi-flow cat right now. After that I got my eye on an exhaust, and I'd really like to get a new suspension setup to lower it, although not too much. I also plan on replacing the fuel filters, since I have a hunch that it hasn't been done. I'm also fixing my clutch tomorrow, because I found out one of the master cylinder mounting bolts isn't actually screwed into the master cylinder, but just hanging there, which allows the master cylinder to move whenever I push the pedal.

After that though is where it gets fuzzy. My biggest fear is having a repeat of what happened to my old engine to happen to the new one. My dilemma is that the builder said there is a custom chip in, on or around the ECU that "extends injection dwell" and some other technical stuff. Sorry, but my knowledge of engines and trannys isn't up to snuff yet. Anyway I'm afraid it might be one of those crappy chips that just increases fuel to the engine, with +10 fuel mapping across the board, which dumps too much fuel in, gets in the oil and ruins the seals and gaskets.

Are my fears unfounded? Should I make replacing or reflashing the ECU a priority? Do I just buy a ECU or do I need to take the car to get tuned?


Also, as long you've humored me this long (I told you I ramble) what other things should I/could I do to the car to increase performance, on my limited budget? What should I make a priority and what should I do later down the road? For now, the only performance part on my car is a Weapon R SRI, and the car came with an AEM CAI that is in my trunk. I also want to replace the trans with a jdm non-sh trans, but that'll have to be wayyy down the road. Plus I am interested in aesthetics, and the body panels in front aren't 100% lined up, but it's really not too noticeable, however the scratched and slightly cracked front bumper kinda is, which I'll have to replace sooner or later. Plus I want to replace the stock Honda badge in the front with a nicer looking red one (yea yea it's ricer I know) although I don't really know how, which seems to be stupid not to know how, but I'm still at a loss.

Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions would be cool, just go ahead and spitball or think aloud. I also welcome you to talk about your cars and what you did to them.

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Re: Raising the 5th gen lude to glory, a disscussion

Everything sounds good, but I'll just give my thoughts. Do a little research before you do your exhaust system, there are lots of options out there, and we have talked about it extensively on this site (and they have covered it even more on Honda-Tech). As for replacing your master cylinder and other OEM parts, Majestic Honda - The Internet's #1 Honda Automotive Parts Store. They have never let me down and I know loads of other people use them as well. And as for the ECU, God knows what is up with that, so I would advise that you just track down an OBD2 P13 (the stock ECU for the H22, and yes it will work fine with the JDM H22). That will probably be the easiest fix (basically unplug the old one and plug the new one in, that's it). P13's are always floating around on E-Bay from reputable sellers. Once you address all your problems and you're ready to start upgrading ****, go ahead and take a look at our Member's Rides section, or the 5th Gen Resource Guide. You can probably find everything you could want to know in there as far as performance parts go. And you seem to be educated enough to know how to search and learn on your own (thank God), so when you have any questions go ahead and ask and we will try our best to answer them.
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Re: Raising the 5th gen lude to glory, a disscussion

Hey thanks man, better reply than I've ever gotten over at honda-tech.

If I may... How much would a obd2 p13 cost? Would it be better to go with that or a hondata ecu/reflash? (Kinda wanted to do that someday, maybe when I get everything in order) Also, where is my ECU? I feel embarrased to even ask, but I'm not at school so I don't have access to mitchell and alldata right now.

Also, I'm not replacing the m/c lol, it's just one of the mounting bolts lost its nut so it threaded about halfway out, towards the cabin. I should be fixing it today or tomorrow. I'm basically just gonna double nut it, thread it back in, then screw on a jamb nut or lock nut. Then maybe my car will drive nice for a change.

Actually I went to a honda dealer and the parts lady told me that there is no mounting bolts, that it's part of the m/c, and politely asked me if I wanted to order a new m/c for $120. lol screw that, I can see the bolt with my own eyes. However reaching the bolt will be tough, it's the one thats NOT easy to reach. By the way, I hate parts people. Especially the ones at advanced auto and autozone, they're always giving me the wrong stuff.


And I have been looking at stickies and searching the forum, it'll take me awhile to read everything. Love this site though, the people are much more knowledgable and helpful than the guys over at honda-tech.
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Re: Raising the 5th gen lude to glory, a disscussion

I like this guy..

Anyways, I am not sure how much the ECU would cost but plan for the future while you do this, since you are changing a lot at once.

If you plan on doing some SERIOUS mods to your car that actually add power (majority of the time a header/intake/exhaust won't do much for our cars unless it is custom exhaust/header) then I would find either a p28 or p72 that is OBDI, get a conversion harness (Boomslang is just one reputable company I have heard of for those), and then get hondata, but if you want to save money right now and dont plan on doing serious mods for a while, then just get the p13.

To sum that up,

Mods in the near future (Custom Exhuast/Header, or boost) = p28/p72 OBI with hondata.
Just getting it going now = p13.

Your starting off well here!
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Re: Raising the 5th gen lude to glory, a disscussion

pm'd you about a ecu, and also its located right under the passengers feet there a little board where the feet sit on top, behind that you need a 10mm to take off the bolts for the board then take off 3 bolts for the ecu off the board and its either a 10mm or 12mm too
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Ya I got your pm, first I gotta see what this stuff is all gonna cost me, plus I'm prolly going to worry about that once I get the engine in. (Or should I replace it before the engine goes in?) Right now I have school, work and my car on my plate, and at the end of june I'm going back out to ohio for school (online classes now) so I need the major stuff like having a working car done by that time. Which includes doing an engine swap, which I've never done a 4 cylinder before (did a V8 swap in my buddies trans am) but my other buddy who just did a prelude engine swap is helpin me with this. He's on these forums, dunno what username yet. He told me we can prolly bang it out in a weekend or two, maybe longer since he used a lift for his and I don't have that luxury.

By the way I already have headers, dunno what brand or type or size. All I know is that they used to be silver then the car sat at my parent's house for three months (in paved driveway) and now the headers are basically black with rust spots. So they're prolly made out of low quality stainless.

**Oh and another thing, the drivers seat in my car seems to lean to the right a bit, so when I'm sitting straight the raised left edge of the seat basically digs into my shoulder blade, and makes the car really uncomfortable to drive. My best guess is the seat or mounting bracket for the seat is bent. Anyone have any guesses? I'll end up taking that off too and figuring out whats up with it and replacing it, but with all the other stuff I gotta do to the car it's kinda on the backburner.

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the people are much more knowledgable and helpful than the guys over at honda-tech.
In your face H-T!!!

Last time I checked, P13's were floating around on E-Bay for $200-ish. You can probably find them a little cheaper though. If you want to upgrade instead of just replacing it, you can get a chipped P28 or P72 that will run your motor just fine, and it might even be a little cheaper since P28's are so abundant. Then later down the road when you're ready you can go get a tune.
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im on honda-tech....... and a p5m L04 is a oem ecu too so it should work also
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