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Hey I was looking at getting a skunk2 intake manifold for my VTI-R but the person has said that it won't fit onto a type SH or variant of one and I wouldn't have a clue about the difference between my VTI-R and a type SH so anyone have any idea? just wanna know if it will fit onto my h22a.
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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

well i have a skunk 2 pro series 2 intake manifold on my h22, what kind is that one
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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

Bollocks. Smack whoever told you that upside the head. And tell them to never offer advice to another person as long as they live.

Your VTiR (presuming you're from the pacific region, AU/NZ area, as they were only native to this area) is the equivalant to what the americans call the base model. The SH is the american model that featured ATTS. Down here, the ATTS models were called VTiR ATTS (I guess Honda's Australian marketing team was feeling lazy that week).

Your advice is fundamentally wrong. The top of the engine (in fact, almost all of it) is no different regardless of whether the car is ATTS-equpped or not. So the thought that a Sk2 manifold won't bolt up to an ATTS engine holds less water than large dam that has been effectively attacked by terrorists.

However even though it will fit, many who have fitted them say (quite loudly might I add) that they will never fit one again as it is such a massive pain in the arse.
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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

Brash22 you're half right
ATTS equiped preludes must keep OBDII, i'm pretty sure you need obdI conversion for the sunk2 intake.

So the fact that a. ATTS is in the way on the bottom to access the intake making removing/installing one while the engine is in the car a total pain in the ass
and b. If you go OBDI with an ATTS vehicle you'll lose the ATTS giving you a nice 250lb dead weight.

Granted my SH's ATTS Works and i still have a 250lb dead weight in my car, but my friend Zach is funny so i let him stay for the ride :P (the 250lb weight...nvm)
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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

[QUOTE=apocolipse;400602]Brash22 you're half right
ATTS equiped preludes must keep OBDII, i'm pretty sure you need obdI conversion for the sunk2 intake.

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why do you think you need obd1 for an s2 i.m.?
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Because you need to have the "tunability" of OBDI... OBDII won't let you play.
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I see so if I wanted this then I'd be losing my ATTS? is there no way around this? Because I'm looking at doing a complete rebuild at the end of the year or maybe a bit later but now I'm wondering how much more flexible it will need to be to keep my ATTS? as I want to do a few upgrades and possibly forced induction
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Well the problem is that to keep ATTS you have to keep the stock ECU, this means to tune you are stuck with piggybacks. Now you may be able to get the results you want with an AEM F/IC or GReddy eMange Ultimate, you may not. Also when you boost, you may produce enough torque/power to shut the ATTS off anyway.
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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

^ edit: I stand corrected (below I am unsure about piggybacks for OBDII)... posted before I got to read the last response.

If you are considering a rebuild, consider an m2b4 (JDM LSD) or an aftermarket LSD for base tranny... LSD will outperform ATTS, and allow for more power potential (if you desire that). ATTS doesn't do well when you start putting serious power to the ground, but it's great for a mild build (but not as great as my m2b4 :P).

You could stick the IM on there, but without tuning you'd be lucky to get any gains, and the small chance isn't really worth the risk it won't run as well... but I don't really know what I am talking about, lol.

I think I might add a flowstack, throttle body, intake manifold (maybe euro r), hytec replica header and 3" exhaust on my lude before I retune (in a few years)... but this all relies on OBD I, so the ECU doesn't constantly try to "correct" itself... OBD II is not tunable (as far as I know... maybe piggybacks? I never really bothered to learn about it, I can't afford cars that new, lol), and therefore any mods aren't really going to be taken advantage of as the ECU wants to run it like stock.

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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

oh I see well at what point in power does the ATTS shut off I'd only be looking at going 300hp at max I just want a bit more power but not a crap load, so there are no other ecu's out there that can be tuned and work with ATTS? :(
Would I be better off less problem wise just spending more money on making it a faster n/a some after market cams headers etc maybe type s pistons unless theres even better ones for a n/a? hmmmmmmmm suggestions
I just wanna make it a FAIRLY fast car and a decent one to take on a track now and then for fun and keep the reliability there.

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oh I see well at what point in power does the ATTS shut off I'd only be looking at going 300hp at max I just want a bit more power but not a crap load, so there are no other ecu's out there that can be tuned and work with ATTS? :(
Would I be better off less problem wise just spending more money on making it a faster n/a some after market cams headers etc maybe type s pistons unless theres even better ones for a n/a? hmmmmmmmm suggestions
I just wanna make it a FAIRLY fast car and a decent one to take on a track now and then for fun and keep the reliability there.
ATTS doesnt really shut off. it moreso just works bad/not at all. most people say around 250hp. and like said earlier, an LSD would be so much better than your ATTS
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Re: skunk2 intake manifold

Read conflicting info on that, some people say it shuts down (ie. light comes on), others say it doesn't.

If you don't want to sleeve, then you basically have P5P (Type S), PDE (Type R) and Mahle Gold pistons. Type S/R are 11:1, Mahle are 11.5:1, but I am not sure I would trust them with the FRM sleeves.

PDE pistons are supposed to be better than P5P (certainly at least look lighter), but you would need new PDE rods to use them and they are only available from Europe. P5P you can easily order from Japan or ICB, etc. and will work with your existing rods (or can get Eagle Type S rods relatively cheap).

and yes I know there was no Type R Prelude. I was referring to the Accord which also came with a H22.

Sleeve the block and you have way more options for pistons.
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Because you need to have the "tunability" of OBDI... OBDII won't let you play.
right to tune the car you need to have an obd1 conversion but that does not mean you cannot install an I.M. and get some benefits, you just will not be able to maximize the potential until its tuned.
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I'm no expert, you may get some (really small) gain, but I doubt an "accurate" butt dyno would even register it... so the question is just whether that is worth spending money on, and that obviously is just a personal decision (as long as the thing is obdII compliant and you can still pass emissions if you need to...). Good luck, OP, whatever you decide.

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ATTS equiped preludes must keep OBDII, i'm pretty sure you need obdI conversion for the sunk2 intake.
Wrong. Also, if you look about 14 threads down in the fifth gen section I've already written a simple explanation of that (only 24hrs earlier) and couldn't be arsed writing it all again.

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Because you need to have the "tunability" of OBDI... OBDII won't let you play.
Sorta right. However I know at least two people locally who run them with piggyback tunes (AFC Neo to be exact), which would retain the ATTS had the car been fitted with it at factory.

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right to tune the car you need to have an obd1 conversion but that does not mean you cannot install an I.M. and get some benefits, you just will not be able to maximize the potential until its tuned.
Correct. But to maximise the potential of the bigger/better IM you'd fit better cams, springs, retainers, a good header, etc. Then get them all tuned.
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Sorta right. However I know at least two people locally who run them with piggyback tunes (AFC Neo to be exact), which would retain the ATTS had the car been fitted with it at factory.
yea, we mentioned that, but thanks for confirming it. cheers.

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Well the problem is that to keep ATTS you have to keep the stock ECU, this means to tune you are stuck with piggybacks. Now you may be able to get the results you want with an AEM F/IC or GReddy eMange Ultimate, you may not. Also when you boost, you may produce enough torque/power to shut the ATTS off anyway.
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^ edit: I stand corrected (below I am unsure about piggybacks for OBDII)... posted before I got to read the last response....

OBD II is not tunable (as far as I know... maybe piggybacks? I never really bothered to learn about it, I can't afford cars that new, lol), and therefore any mods aren't really going to be taken advantage of as the ECU wants to run it like stock.
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