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Old 04-10-2010, 05:13 AM
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Do you guys think it is worth the time and the money to make a swap to a type s? Also here is the deal I found on ebay tell me what ya think.








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Re: So for a type s swap

The JDM Type S transmission is the same as the USDM SH, so maybe you can save some money, get one without a transmission and resuse the one you have.

If your motor was dead, probably worth it. Swapping out a working motor though? Up to you.
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Re: So for a type s swap

I also might be able to sell the h22a4 with 150xxx miles that I have which could cover most of the cost of the engine and install. The type s I am looking at has around 60k (supposedly)
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Re: So for a type s swap

technically u could use a base or sh motor and put the type-s parts in it. the cams and entire vavle train(ie springs, retainers and valves), psitons, rings everything u can get online and when u price it out, it would probably be cheaper to go this route. Also if u have a h22 block already take it to a machine shop and have them 25over it and machine the head. Then paint it in rust-oleum universal red an bing bang boom, uve got a motor that better than the type-s !

i plan on doing a build like this soon an when i do i'll deff post pics
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Re: So for a type s swap

O an u should buy the type-s intake wid K&N drop in filter
and maybe the skunk 2 intake manifold. then a throttle body and finally after all dat
get it tuned, cuz if u do all of those things above, u need a good tune via hondata or neptune
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Re: So for a type s swap

Lose ATTS if you convert to OBD1.

About $280 for P5P pistons. $150 for new rings. So $430, plus the cost of getting the cylinders bored/honed, new barings, installation, etc.

P5P cams you are looking at about another $600. So $600, plus the cost of the rest of the valvetrain, port+polish of the head plus installation.

Also need to get some work done on the IM+TB to match the Type S. Plus new header, oil pan, etc. Probably looking at $2000 in parts alone. Plus at least another $1k in labour.

Of course if you are building a block, you can sleeve and run whatever pistons you want, install much more aggressive cams, go with oversized valves, boost, run the Skunk2 or Euro-R IM, stroke it, etc. Way more potential than a Type S. Once again though you will lose the ATTS if you switch to OBD1 to tune. Other option is to stay OBD2 and run an AEM F/IC or Greddy eManage Ultimate.
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Re: So for a type s swap

Thanks for the info and other suggestions. I might look into a rebuild instead.
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Re: So for a type s swap

Type S motor isint worth it imo.
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Re: So for a type s swap

Totally off-topic...but why is it so damn shiney?
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Re: So for a type s swap

Just wondering.
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Re: So for a type s swap

The real BB6 Type S comes with an LSD, not ATTS. pretty positive about that one, but double check me if you like.

Type S pistons run cleaner & higher compression [11:1], good upgrade but remember the wrist pins.

Type S has better breathing pipes. and intake chamber. oooh and it's got a red hat too!

Not a massive difference in hp between the S and USDMs, you can make that back other ways. Or just put a 3.2 in it, call it a day.

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The JDM Type S transmission is the same as the USDM SH, so maybe you can save some money, get one without a transmission and resuse the one you have.

If your motor was dead, probably worth it. Swapping out a working motor though? Up to you.
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Re: So for a type s swap

How can you claim it doesn't have ATTS and that it uses the same transmission as the SH? The two contradict each other. If it had a LSD instead of ATTS, then it would have an LSD equipped transmission.

It does have ATTS. The SiR S Spec is the one with the LSD (also with the same 220hp engine, just with a non ATTS block).

Wrist pins shouldn't be a problem unless you are dealing with a 4th gen (the Type S uses P5M rods, same as a USDM 5th gen).
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.....every time I see a type s for sale, complete or engine swap, its with a real LSD, not the cheapo ATTS, which is pretty watered down regardless. but like I said, not positive. look it up if you really must, the transmissions can't be the same as far as I know. Compatible maybe, but not the same. I'm sure the forum has this info for sure, I've never took apart a type s tranny to double check myself and I don't live in japan.

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Re: So for a type s swap

Trust me the Type S has ATTS (check any online sources, articles, etc. or the Japanese ECM). Wouldn't call it cheap either. You have the ATTS unit, sensors, etc. plus all the development costs (although ATTS led to SH-AWD, so Honda is still getting money back).

As I said the SiR S Spec has essentially the same engine (non ATTS block), but with a LSD. That is the model you would be thinking of.
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How can you claim it doesn't have ATTS and that it uses the same transmission as the SH? The two contradict each other. If it had a LSD instead of ATTS, then it would have an LSD equipped transmission.

It does have ATTS. The SiR S Spec is the one with the LSD (also with the same 220hp engine, just with a non ATTS block).

Wrist pins shouldn't be a problem unless you are dealing with a 4th gen (the Type S uses P5M rods, same as a USDM 5th gen).
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.....every time I see a type s for sale, complete or engine swap, its with a real LSD, not the cheapo ATTS, which is pretty watered down regardless. but like I said, not positive. look it up if you really must, the transmissions can't be the same as far as I know. Compatible maybe, but not the same. I'm sure the forum has this info for sure, I've never took apart a type s tranny to double check myself and I don't live in japan.

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and ya, what is your reasoning for thinking the ATTS is cheap?
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Re: So for a type s swap

have you ever driven and compared an SH with ATTS to a lude [or any car] with a good LSD? [and thats a whole different conversation] thats my reasoning, actual driving, not speculation. Whats funny is that everyone thinks ATTS is so amazing.
Weak would have been a better word for this forum apparently, since every one picks everything to death here, I wasn't talking "developmental costs" or whatever.

as far as the wrist pins go, you do need wrist pins for the pistons. maybe not type s pins, but you need pins. Yikes.

anyway, hope some of that made sense to the thread starter, regardless of what engine swap or upgrade path he chooses. LSD man. LSD.....

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They come with pins. I thought you were referring to the difference in size (0.864" vs. 0.866" from recollection).

As for ATTS vs. a regular LSD, that really comes down to personal preference. Also for a fair comparison you need two Prelude's. I've read posts of people who have autox'd both and there is no clear winner. Certainly in a straight line the LSD will win since the ATTS will be inactive, so in that respect the LSD does more, but in corners lots of people definitely prefer ATTS since you can get on the throttle sooner.
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Re: So for a type s swap

fair enough. dont think you cant buy a type s swap with ATTS at all anyway. unless im blind as a bat. i think thats what i was trying to get at, since the thread starter was just asking about the [relevant] swap. even if you could, who would want to add weight and labor pains/torture when an lsd is a much easier install. theres no question ATTS was fun to drive, but ive driven lsd equipped tegs and ludes, felt so much better at the wheels in wet. i honestly like spinning wheels in the rain with my base tho.

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Re: So for a type s swap

type s came stock with atts so yes you can. the sir however came with the red top mated to an LSD tranny
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Re: So for a type s swap

i guess you missed what i said completely. but thats cool. the guy asked about swapping in a type s, not the whole car dewd. but if you want to buy atts with the type s somehow, go ahead. itll take forever and a day to put in, add weight, and labor pains. for days. when you go to any jdm motor retailer, they offer the type s H22 with an lsd mated trans, not ATTS. at all.

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guess what man, if its a type s engine, from a type s prelude. it has ATTS. however, if its a red top h22 (guess what, it came in both the SIR and the type s) with an LSD, then its from the SIR
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wow "guess what"? cheeze and crackers... this thread starter wanted to know whether to swap a type s in his usdm prelude. you're suggesting he put in atts? into a base? if he has an sh then he already has it...... and wherever you are seeing these type s ENGINE swaps FOR SALE with ATTS, post the link up. thats what i was talking about. you cant find the engine and trans from a type s for sale WITH atts anywhere, because its a massive system, not just how an lsd pops into a trans box. when you actually order a type s h22 with trans, the only option is an lsd mated trans. but whatever, keep arguing with people you dont know about nothing. cheerio.

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"The only H22 to avoid is from the Type SH Prelude. The brilliant torque distribution system (an electronically controlled box of clutches bolted to the block that Honda calls ATTS) replaces the intermediate shaft and its mounting bracket. The engine and transmission code to avoid is H22A4 and M2U4, respectively. Again, when someone actually swaps this in functionally, let us know."
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wow "guess what"? cheeze and crackers... this thread starter wanted to know whether to swap a type s in his usdm prelude. you're suggesting he put in atts? into a base? if he has an sh then he already has it...... and wherever you are seeing these type s ENGINE swaps FOR SALE with ATTS, post the link up. thats what i was talking about. you cant find the engine and trans from a type s for sale WITH atts anywhere, because its a massive system, not just how an lsd pops into a trans box. when you actually order a type s h22 with trans, the only option is an lsd mated trans. but whatever, keep arguing with people you dont know about nothing. cheerio.

ok, im gonna break it down for you so you understand, and this is also the last time im posting in the thread because honestly, i give no f*cks about you and youre no one to me. 1. his name has SH in it. 2. no where at all did i say put an SH engine in a base model 3. you said it yourself, the SH and the type s have the SAME TRANSMISSION. 4. i said the type s has atts; which is does. and the SIR-S has a stock LSD; which it does. 4. both models do use the same basic engine, except one is the SH block to accomodate the ATTS, and one is the base block.

what dont you f*cking undertstand about that? are you just ignorant? or love fighting over a 7 month old friend. can you not see facts? just because someone on the internet says its a type s engine, doesnt mean it is. its the same H22a redtop, except with a differan tranny
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ok, im gonna break it down for you so you understand, and this is also the last time im posting in the thread because honestly, i give no f*cks about you and youre no one to me. 1. his name has SH in it. 2. no where at all did i say put an SH engine in a base model 3. you said it yourself, the SH and the type s have the SAME TRANSMISSION. 4. i said the type s has atts; which is does. and the SIR-S has a stock LSD; which it does. 4. both models do use the same basic engine, except one is the SH block to accomodate the ATTS, and one is the base block.

what dont you f*cking undertstand about that? are you just ignorant? or love fighting over a 7 month old friend. can you not see facts? just because someone on the internet says its a type s engine, doesnt mean it is. its the same H22a redtop, except with a differan tranny
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ok you ****ing baby. no where did i argue about what comes with what, not in the past however many months its been since posting in this stupid off topic thread. I am just trying to help out the THREAD STARTER, who wanted to put a type s in, or was at least thinking about it. once long ago.

NOW you are just repeating yourself and arguing to have a pissing contest with me. i dont even know what you are trying to prove, or whatever, but you lost me at your first post. IF YOU WERE TO BUY A TYPE S ENGINE, WITH A TRANSMISSION, IT WILL NOT COME WITH ATTS. NO RETAILER SELLS ATTS WITH A TYPE S PACKAGE. Find a full type s and there you go, but otherwise good luck. and why do any of that at all? when you can just get a jdm supplier to throw an lsd into your type s trans and engine package. THIS IS WHAT I POSTED, oh i dunno, maybe four times by now.

I dont give a rats ass what car came with what options. i never did. i care about whats available, TO BUY, online. I dont care about crunching theoretical numbers that mean nothing to my budget. I dont live in japan, or have daddys trust fund to spend like some of you, and from what it looks like, you cant read past your own childhood. READ MY POSTS, and you will see [maybe] I am not even arguing with you, or even talking about the same thing. YOU ARE RIGHT, the type s did not come with an lsd, it had atts. and the si r, sure you are right on point with that. but thats not what im talking about. at all. Is this getting through to you?

read what people say before you flame the **** out of everyone. the point of these boards is to help, learn, and have a good time. not to look for arguments. Gdam at least make it an argument that makes sense. Too bad you had to be an effing child. Im here to learn and help where i can, not to start **** for no reason and start throwing insults around. This guess what **** is totally unnecessary. But hey, get some testes, come see me and talk that **** dude, ill be right here. In real life.

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give no ****s. nice one big homie. and 7 month old friend im totally lost on that one. and thank you droolin, at least you can read. READ. easy stuff.
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Re: So for a type s swap

Im just looking at this again now, its so funny i cant not post. wow. just. wow. regardless of what model this thread starter had, if he wants to put in a type s, where is he going to buy it? online or through a jdm motor retailer, who isnt going to actually sell him that kit with ATTS. itll be with a LSD mated trans. cost 4 grand or so. so easy, and yet i keep repeating.... and repeating.... all because you keep repeating.... and repeating.... Like i give a **** what model lude had what trans stock in the car. Im not buying the CAR! id be buying the kit. whatever they give me. that fits. my god. I'm out, have fun with your lipstick.
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