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F20B into SH

ok well I searched before starting this thread so hopefully i'll be greeted with good honest answers. Ok motor blew, pistons are shot, only way to get the car running is to get a new bottom end or motor swap. I have searched and have yet to find out any exact details as to how a F20B will swap into a SH.

I know it will be easier to just swap in a type s or usdm H22a4 but those are a bit more pricier than the F20B. If ATTS can remain active that would be nice, but i'm trying to get the cheapest possible solution. I'm giving up on this h22a4 with 140K so the F20 is the best choice. I know all the specs about prelude motors so I won't have any of those questions, but here goes....Will the F20B drop straight into an SH, tranny and all?
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Re: F20B into SH

Probably.

Are you keeping the F trans, or re-using the SH trans? Re-using the SH trans is the only way you'll retain ATTS, though IIRC the F boxes had an option of an LSD from factory anyway, so you won't necessarily be losing out.

As far as I'm aware, the F20 block is almost identical to the H22, which would make installation relatively easy. If the F20 block is that close to the H22 one, you may even be able to fit it to the ATTS trans. I know ATTS engines were **slightly** different to regular engines (starter motor and oil filter in different locations for a start) but I'm not sure there are any other differences. I seem to rememer something about the ATTS engines having an extra balance shaft to the trans or something that needed to be blocked off when shoe-horning a TypeS engine into a non-ATTS equipped car.

Then you'll come to tuning, which is a whole new topic on it's own, and something i have done little to no research on.
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Re: F20B into SH

thanks for the reply. My biggest concern is that it can just drop in and fire up without much work. I would love to retain ATTS but if not, i just want it to run. I am aware that the F20B was offered with an LSD trans, but I need this swap to be as cheap as possible so i will be reusing the h22 trans. I've read that the current ECU will work since both are OBD-2. If I have to get a base transmission then I will seek further options. This was my first experience with a H22 and i didnt even drive it for a month before it blew. F20 is cheaper than a str8 replacement and it has a stronger block, my old block cracked.

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Re: F20B into SH

I would think that swapping in a F20B would be pretty much the same as swapping in a non ATTS H22, so the ATTS trans won't just bolt up.
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ok i'm doin the f20b swap in my 4th gen now, and ^^^^ is correct your current tranny will not work, but i do know what else u will need, If you wanted to keep it as jdm as possible like i did you will need a custom fuel line,change injector plugs, i had to change my egr not sure if you will have too. You can use your intake manifold, you will need a new oil pressure switch, when you get this order it for the h23. unless your gunna cut up some wires. Not sure on your ecu bc i had to get a new 1. but evertying else should be pretty much a drop in.
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Re: F20B into SH

so in essence if this is going to cost more than 1500 than i should just go the h22 route. That sucks, new trans for f20 = new ecu, obd2-obd1, and axels? If it cost more than just the obd2 h22 than i'll swap the h22. dammnit and i wanted an iron block too since mine cracked on the h22. Honda95 keep me updated on your swap so i can get a better idea.
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Re: F20B into SH

lol dude your thinkin about it too hard, i did the same thing when i was researching the f20b for my swap, if you have $1500 you can get the f20b and trans for around that maybe cheaper. Ok since the f20b is so much like the h22 all the mounts should work, except the on the timing belt cover, just switch yours off your engine and you'll be fine with that ok you should be able to use your ecu to have it running but it will be looking for atts, which means you might get a code until you get a new ecu, axles i would think they would be fine. you wouldnt need a obd2-obd1 jumper bc the f20b is obd2. If you need some more info just txt me or wutever its a lot easier to explain over the phone, 706-834-7935. here are some pics of my f20b in my 4th gen. as u can see in some of the pictures my fuel line,
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Re: F20B into SH

^^^ has anyone told you that you are the Muthaf##ing MAN. I am thinking about it hard but i do that just to prepare for the worst. but yeah I appreciate your responses and I'll get ahold of you if i have any further questions.
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Re: F20B into SH

Honestly do as I did, and find yourself an H22a4 SH block for about a grand (or less!) Look around you can get one cheaper. I found one someone was selling on pp.com that needed new rings, only had 110k miles on it, and he only wanted $300. If your head is good you can pick up just a block, or a full long block (block + head) for cheap and rebuild it yourself. The f20 is a definate NO for ATTS, but keeping your ATTS and getting your engine running shouldnt cost you more than $1500 which is what you're gonna pay for f20 engine, trans, ecu, obd2-1 conversion, axles, etc etc
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^^^agreed, currently that's what i'm been trying to way out. I'm sure the h22 head is still good but the question comes down to, do i want to rebuild a motor with 139k or start off with a fresh one. Either way I know it's going to cost about $1500, i'm just kinda leaning towards the F20 since it sounds and performs like a B series, loud. My true goal of the car is just a fun daily driver, nothing extreme.
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haha thanks man, it really isnt much work involved, but check out that website, if it comes down to it u can order the f20b and the h22 tans and they'll more than likely give u a discount, or u could just get the obd1 h22 and trans for around the $1500 that ur tryin to spend, but either way me and u both know that it would cost more to replace the sh engine. if u need anymore help let me know.
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haha thanks man, it really isnt much work involved, but check out that website, if it comes down to it u can order the f20b and the h22 tans and they'll more than likely give u a discount, or u could just get the obd1 h22 and trans for around the $1500 that ur tryin to spend, but either way me and u both know that it would cost more to replace the sh engine. if u need anymore help let me know.
have you driven yours yet? I know f20b is a destroked h22 but to me it sounds more aggressive, like a B-series (youtubed it) which is why i want it more than an H. I honestly don't care about the 20 lbs torque difference top end power is what i like more, but yeah whichever is cost effective.

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Re: F20B into SH

I think the h22 rotates counter clockwise and the f20 rotates clockwise. So the tranny has to be specific. That would be sick. How the 2.4 liter they have out? Or just get a sick h22 or h23 bottom end. It'll be less head aches in my opinion.
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I think the h22 rotates counter clockwise and the f20 rotates clockwise. So the tranny has to be specific. That would be sick. How the 2.4 liter they have out? Or just get a sick h22 or h23 bottom end. It'll be less head aches in my opinion.
Why would the tranny need to be specific??? I used my h23 tranny and everything bolted up fine, Your thinking about the f20c which is the S2000 engine not the f20b accord sir engine.

And i havent drove mine yet still in the process of getting everything complete, changing sway bushings and stuff nothing engine related really, should be complete sometime this week.
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the gears in the tranny would be spinning in reverse. I would think. IDK Like the flywheel would be going the other direction. Therefore synchros and everything else i would think. I think honda changed all to clock wise rotation now. I really havent researched. Dont get me wrong that is a way cool build i just know that rotation can be a problem. maybe its not who knows. Good luck i'll look for ur future posts. Is that a common practice nowadays?
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Lol dude ur thinking too hard too,ok think like this. F20B=H22 all the F20B is a destroked H22.Maybe you should do some research on the F20B, your still thinking about the F20C S2000 engine which would rotate in the wrong direction, but is basically impossible to put in a lude without a $1,000,000,000 in fab work, and plus neither the F or H series trannys will bolt up to the F20C
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Correct^^.

You guys are thinking of the F20C from the S2000 which spins the other way. As do the K-series.
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Haha thank you, I think when ppl start thinkin of the F20B they automatically think of an S2000 engine, or they think that its some complicated swap.when its just as easy as the H22 swap.
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so what motor is in the tsx, that's k series. i see f20's are older. wow im a dingbat haha. ive been out of the loop. any honda power is cool.
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have you driven yours yet? I know f20b is a destroked h22 but to me it sounds more aggressive, like a B-series (youtubed it) which is why i want it more than an H. I honestly don't care about the 20 lbs torque difference top end power is what i like more, but yeah whichever is cost effective.
How does it have more top end power when it produces less torque at a higher RPM than the h22?
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I don't understand your question. Torque isn't dependant on top end power. The simple answer though is that it needs the higher RPM limit and more top end because it doesn't have the low down torque.
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How does it have more top end power when it produces less torque at a higher RPM than the h22?
let me restate it for you, I like the top end power the f20b makes and can sacrifice the 20 lbs of torque that it does not make. My first experience with h22 and it didnt even let me drive it for a month. Like the b16 has nothing for torque but makes all it's power in the higher rpm range.
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so if you dont have atts the code wouldnt pop up ?
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Re: F20B into SH

In my swap I essentially converted from an SH to a base using the factory SH ecu, all I did was unplug the ATTS bulb because it stayed lit. Since I put in a T2T4 LSD trans I no longer had the ATTS.

If you wanna do a cheap swap, accord F-series manual trans from a junkyard, and a F20b. Though that gearing will hurt your acceleration but help MPG's and if you care your top speed lol
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