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Old 01-22-2010, 03:47 AM
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Hi. I'm new to the forum but I'm not new to my AT SportShift 5thGen VTEC Base Honda Prelude. I've been a proud Prelude owner since 2005 and I've never had any real issues with my car. Until recently. When I purchased it used in 2005 it had around 117K miles on it. 4/5 years later it's almost at 200K. Needless to say if I want to continue driving my prelude(and I do) for another 150K miles, some issues are going to have to be addressed. Let me give you a brief rundown of what is currently going on with it.

1. For more than a year now my check engine light will periodically come on for a while and then go off for a while. And by a while I mean days or weeks at a time. I got this looked into a year or more ago and the diagnostic came up that it was a faulty 02 sensor (I believe). Nothing ever came of it and it has never been replaced.

Before I go on to number 2 I'd like to add that I've always had issues with leaking oil. I got under the engine after cleaning off the oil pan and taking it around the block for a short ride and it seems like the oil is coming from somewhere higher up in the engine block. This has never been addressed.

2. When taking off from a stop and acceerating quckly (3.5-4KRPM+ before shifting from gear 1-2 and 2-3) I get a cloud of black smoke from my exhaust. I'm not sure if this can be related to the issues I'm having with leaking oil or what. I've considered maybe it was an issue with a blown headgasket however as long as the issue has been going on (6+ months?) and doing a very small amount of research I'm about 85% sure that's not the problem. Any ideas?

3. When idling there seems to be a really fast knocking from somewhere under the hood. It's not really rhythic like belt timing so I'm not sure if I should some it up to needing a new motor in itslef, or if replacing the battery and spark plugs will remedy this.

4. Recently on 1 or 2 occassions (For the first time since I've owned my car) after traveling at a pretty steady high rate of speed for about an hour or so (75MPH-85MPH+) at some point during the drive I downshifted. When shifting back up to fourth gear from third it's like the gear didn't stick. The RPM's stayed pretty high if I tried to accelerate. Over 3K. Of course the LED readout on the Guage Cluster said it shifted into 4th but it's like the gear never really caught. I don't really know what could be the cause of the issue. Ideas?

I'm pretty new to automobiles as far as doing any customization or engine work, so this is pretty much like an elementary school student going straight to college. I understand basics, but for things like dropping in a new motor I would never even know where to start. Which brings me to my next point.


I love my prelude. And I have for years, and I want to continue loving to drive it and be seen in it for a while to come. So like it's said in the title of the thread, I actually plan on using my necessary repairs as an opportunity to completely get re-aquainted with my car. I plan on investing somewhere around 10K into this project, and as of now, with my minimal knowledge, am pretty much considering this a huge project. Let me show you what I'm looking at so far: Any and all suggestions, advice, and resources are greatly appreciated.

ENGINE, MOTOR, EXHAUST, etc.

Battery:
Odyssey PC1200MJT Sealed Drycell / Deep Cycle Battery
Braille Auto Carbon Fiber / Non-Carbon Fiber Batteries"
Hawker PowerSafe SBS 30 Battery
Optima Yellow Top Battery

Spark Plugs:
Denso Iridium Power Spark Plug IK Series
ZEX Nitrous & Turbo Plug
NGK Spark Plugs


Now... I know I have to drop a new motor in. I just don't know anything about it. Won't be able to do it myself so I'm going to have to hire a shop to do it for me. How much is labor for something like that? Shipping fees for a motor if I buy online? What do you recommend. Should/Can I drop an SH motor in the base chassis without reconfiguring everything under the hood? Is there a such thing as a new motor for a prelude or am I going to get stuck with a used motor that already has wear and tear on it?

(2.2L, VIN "6" 6th digit)

Exhaust:
GReddy Racing Ti-C Polished Stainless Steel Cat-Back Exhaust System w/ Titanium Tip
Fujitsubo Legalis R Stainless Steel Cat-Back Exhaust System, 60.5mm Tubing, 101.6mm Tip

Manifold
Skunk2 Racing Intake Manifold


And to be honest that pretty much sums it up for what I've really looked at considering motor/engine components. To be honest I really don't know where to start. Well, I have an idea. The motor. But where do I go from there besides the self-explanatory basics? Battery, Spark Plugs, Exhaust... What are some major areas in the engine that I need to focus on if I really want to make my car run GOOD for the next 100K+ miles? Not necessarily for racing performance because I know that can kill an engine, but just in general. What needs to be replaced after 4+ years sitting under a hood? Especially under these circumstances.

I've already got lots of ideas and items I'm looking at for cosmetic appearance, but until I feel like I have a solid starting ground on my project at all as far as the actual drivability and reliability of my engine goes, I don't see any point in pursuing it.

Any and all knowledge, tips, suggestions and whatever else are greatly appreciated. This is the first step onto what I believe is going to be a long, expensive, and painstaking project I'm undertaking so all help is going to be greatly appreciated. I want this project to be finished in the next 6 months but I have such a low amount of knowledge in this department that I'm not even sure if that's feasible.


I'll keep you updated.
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Re: 10K 5thGen Stock/Base Overhaul

1. Go ahead and replace your o2 sensors and it should stop the intermittent CEL, its good maintenance to replace them every couple of years anyways.

2. That black smoke is just from where your car is running a little bit on the rich side, no worries. Rich means there is more fuel than air dropping into your cylinders to be combusted.

3. Is the knocking in the motor? Or is it just something vibrating under the hood?

4. Don't really know what the problem is, did it feel like the trans was slipping?

Do you have another car that you can drive? What are your end result goals for the engine? Something reliable that will last forever with stockish power? Or something that gets you a good gain in power and won't last forever, but should last a long time if maintained correctly. With 10K to spend on the motor alone you could rebuild the one that is in there and come out with a pretty peppy car.
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Re: 10K 5thGen Stock/Base Overhaul

rebuild your motor, you can actually rebuild it and spend less money then a swap for the same motor.

black smoke is running a little rich, we all have that issue...sometimes lol i know i do.

200k, did you do any valve adjustments? 2nd timing belt change?

should quiet her down.

change your o2 sensors...you'll notice better mpg as well with a better spark from your plugs.

for your auto tranny problem..i suggest you go with a 5spd swap

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Re: 10K 5thGen Stock/Base Overhaul

just atip with the greddy ti-c catback. if you go with that, then have a resonater welded in when you install it. something like a 14" should do it. cuz otherwise its just too loud. i just did the same thing to mine after having it installed for a year or so, and i wish i woulda dnt it sooner.
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Re: 10K 5thGen Stock/Base Overhaul

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2. That black smoke is just from where your car is running a little bit on the rich side, no worries. Rich means there is more fuel than air dropping into your cylinders to be combusted.
I guess there's not a real problem if that's the case then, but when you see black smoke coming from a car when it accelerates for some reason the first thing that comes to mind is "unhealthy car". What would I need to do to push more air into the cylinders?

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3. Is the knocking in the motor? Or is it just something vibrating under the hood?
I thought maybe it was simply a vibrating under the hood but i opened it up while it was running and it sounds like it's coming from the motor itself. Or somewhere in the back of the motor lower in the engine block.

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4. Don't really know what the problem is, did it feel like the trans was slipping?
That's what I'm thinking, but with it having only happened on 1 or 2 occasions I'm not certain. If the it was the trans would it happen more often? Or could this just be an early sign?

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Do you have another car that you can drive? What are your end result goals for the engine? Something reliable that will last forever with stockish power? Or something that gets you a good gain in power and won't last forever, but should last a long time if maintained correctly. With 10K to spend on the motor alone you could rebuild the one that is in there and come out with a pretty peppy car.
Yeah, between my wife's car and the ability to get a rental for a decent price through my insurance I'm not too worried about having my car in a shop for a week or two.

As far as my goals for the engine, I'd have to say I would prefer a good gain in power that would last a long time with proper maintenance.

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rebuild your motor, you can actually rebuild it and spend less money then a swap for the same motor.
I wouldn't even know where to start.

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200k, did you do any valve adjustments? 2nd timing belt change?
No I haven't really done anything under the hood since I got it. Changed the air filter on the Cold Air Intake that it had on it when I bought the car but it's one of the short style Intakes.

Speaking of, is there a benefit of having a full size cold air intake? or is there no benefit in the length of the pipes?

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for your auto tranny problem..i suggest you go with a 5spd swap
Man this SportShift's spoiled me. I love a 5 speed but the SS just seems so convenient.
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auto trannys will fail sooner or later, 90% of people that have auto trannys either sell there car for a stick one or do a 5spd swap.

2nd, you had this car forawhile...you never did a t belt change!???????????????????????????????
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Re: 10K 5thGen Stock/Base Overhaul

have you changed spark plugs, wires, oil, and maybe a little sea foam, pls go change you timing belt....i have a 5gen auto too and if had the money i would have changed over to a 5speed... but i did not know how much it would be so i fixed it and not even 10k mile later it was back in the shop. you are very lucky to have 200k on the motor. i just blow a rod with only 125k on it
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have you changed spark plugs, wires, oil, and maybe a little sea foam, pls go change you timing belt....i have a 5gen auto too and if had the money i would have changed over to a 5speed... but i did not know how much it would be so i fixed it and not even 10k mile later it was back in the shop. you are very lucky to have 200k on the motor. i just blow a rod with only 125k on it
Yeah I changed the spark plugs a year or two ago, haven't changed any wires, I have to change the oil all the time due to the leak coming from somewhere in the engine block.

I'll put getting my timing belt changed up there on the priority list.

Anything else that I need to make a point of getting fixed or replaced? Simply out of principal or how longs its been?
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Wow I dont know where to start helping you.....which question do i answer first? First of all what makes you so sure you need a new motor?? You hear a noise but dont know where it is coming from. Is it coming from below the distributor? Because the automatic trannys start to make a noise like this and I dont want you going out and buying a new H22 motor and still have the noise there. Yes you can put an SH motor right in, they are the same. And I dont know how much research you have done but just a little reasearch will show EVERYWHERE that the auto trannys SUCK!!!! If you have had no problems with it so far, your lucky.....trust me....you will!! I dont wanna see you spend all the money on a new motor and then have to pay another $3.k or more to get the tranny rebuilt.
My suggestion........Do a 5 speed swap, {make it into a manual stick shift}. You have the money, and it is fairly easy to do, everything bolts right on and swaps right over, you just need to locate some parts you will need. I am in the prosess of doing this to mine right now. I also have a 98 base A/T with 200k. My tranny is still good but it is starting to slip inbetween 1st-2nd and sometimes 2-3 when I really get on it. They ALL start doing this till it gets worse and worse till it finally gets to be undrivable. The smoke you see out the back, could be cause it is running a little rich but also these motors with high mileage start burning oil, they all do. The piston rings get worn and causes oil to get into the combustion chamber and burned out the exhaust. If you do get a new motor.... you can get a rebuilt one, or you can buy a used junkyard one. I would deff do the 5 speed swap- research that and you will come to find out that is the real way to go if you wanna drive this car another 100k miles. Do a real good tune up- spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor, air filter, pcv valve, lof, coolant flush, timing & balance shaft belts, waterpump, valve adjustment, valve cover gasket- {you said you had a high oil leak, prob this or distributor o ring}. Do these things and I think you will ok for a while. Good Luck
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