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Old 11-10-2009, 10:49 PM
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H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

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OK im replacing the flywheel this week and didnt wanna start a new thread just for a couple questions, this is my first time removing a tranny so any tips will help. my questions are.. why do i have to remove the driver side axel as well? will i need an alignment after removing the crossmember and stabilizer bars? and when torqueing the new flywheel on will it stay still or does it spin freely and need to be locked somehow?
Im getting the competition ultra light flywheel btw, no more fidanza for me just yet
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My car has turned over in the last 2 days and kept making a loud gringing/jingle sound. this occured every now and then but it usually turned over eventually. So i figured my starter finally gave out. I take the starter off the motor and looked at it, the gear seemed a little worn down but wasnt bad. then i looked into the motor and the sides of the teeth on the flywheel were all chewed up and worn off. Do i need to replace the flywheel or can i solve this just by getting the starter rebuilt?

Its a fidanza lightened flywheel btw.

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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

replace the starter as many times as you'd like. if the teeth on the flywheel are ground down so the mating teeth on the starter can't make contact with them, no amount of starters will fix that.


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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

yup, time to replace that flywheel, funny cause this is only the second time I heard of this happening with that flywheel, how many miles did you have it for?
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

or you can just push start the car =)
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

Might want to consider a single piece one rather than one with pressed on teeth. Competition Clutch do a single piece chromoly steel one that doesn't weigh that much more. 9.7lbs vs. like 8.5lb for the Fidanza.
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

pretty sure i could push start the car but i dont want to look like an idiot everyday and im about to have bustr build my car so i want it running reliable first. ill look into that competition flywheel and probabaly rebuild my starter as well
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

about the fidanza flywheel not being a solid 1 piece wheel, is it normal for the toothed part to slide back and forth about 1/2 of an inch? i was inspecting the teeth when i realized they slide back and forth about a half of an inch both way and it produces the same noise i get when i try starting the car. so is that normal for a flywheel to do or is it shot.
ps.. just the teeth slide, the flywheel itself sits in one position
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

lmfao this is the EXACTTTTT problem mizlude just posted about like a week ago. no, the teeth shouldn't move AT ALL hahhaha. they should solidly be attached to the flywheel


wow thats fuking weird that i've never heard of any problems w/ fidanza FW's before this previous week, than two identical problems. interesting...
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

lol, im kinda afraid to by another fidanza but the CC flywheels are like $230. so idk what to do
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lol, im kinda afraid to by another fidanza but the CC flywheels are like $230. so idk what to do
Spend the extra $100 on the cc or act flywheel. Fidanza is good/reputable but I've been reading about more qc issues on other sites so maybe they are starting to slip. Plus some people think the fidanza's are "too light" and prefer the act's because they weight a few lbs more, but are still "lightened" flywheels.

This all comes down to personal preference, when some people get an issue like yours with a brand they are done with that brand forever. Some people realize that no manufacturer is perfect and are willing to try them again (and saving $100 doesn't hurt either).

But hearing the same issue twice makes me wonder if they have more serious issues, it's a gamble are you willing to take it?
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Maybe they are knock off's? The Fidanza shouldn't be $100 cheaper. More like $50 (compared to the CC ultralight).

ACT I think only do a streetlite for H/F series, pretty sure they used to do a prolite though. Streetlite is something like 12lbs.
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OK im replacing the flywheel this week and didnt wanna start a new thread just for a couple questions, this is my first time removing a tranny so any tips will help. my questions are.. why do i have to remove the driver side axel as well? will i need an alignment after removing the crossmember and stabilizer bars? and when torqueing the new flywheel on will it stay still or does it spin freely and need to be locked somehow?
Im getting the competition ultra light flywheel btw, no more fidanza for me just yet
1) d-side axle goes into intermediate shaft. int. shaft goes into tranny.

2) no. only after changing suspension geometry, altho alignments could never hurt.

3) no it'll spin somewhat freely. somehow your gonna hafta prevent the engine from spinning, whether that means wedging a giant flathead screwdriver into the teeth of the FW (which prollly won't even work considering this post), buying the honda crank pullley tool, or a flywheel holder tool.
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OK im replacing the flywheel this week and didnt wanna start a new thread just for a couple questions, this is my first time removing a tranny so any tips will help. my questions are.. why do i have to remove the driver side axel as well? will i need an alignment after removing the crossmember and stabilizer bars? and when torqueing the new flywheel on will it stay still or does it spin freely and need to be locked somehow?
Im getting the competition ultra light flywheel btw, no more fidanza for me just yet
both axles have to come-out for the tranny to drop.
neither the stablizer bar nor the cross-member has to come off, only number 1 in the pic below

when torquing the flywheel, have someone hold a ratchet on the crank bolt to prevent it from spinning. ALso there's a specific touquing pattern that you should follow. Flywheel bolts require a 12point socket (I think 12mm)...


when dropping the tranny, it will be easier to disconnect all the clutch lines and slave cylinder off the tranny case instead of taking it apart, that way when you put everything back together you won't have to bleed the lines.

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both axles have to come-out for the tranny to drop.
neither the stablizer bar nor the cross-member has to come off, only number 1 in the pic below

when torquing the flywheel, have someone hold a ratchet on the crank bolt to prevent it from spinning. ALso there's a specific touquing pattern that you should follow. Flywheel bolts require a 12point socket (I think 12mm)...


when dropping the tranny, it will be easier to disconnect all the clutch lines and slave cylinder off the tranny case instead of taking it apart, that way when you put everything back together you won't have to bleed the lines.

truth you only need to take of #1, but it'll severely benefit you to take off #5 and the radius rods too, since the tranny is like 24" wide, and the clearance between #5 and #2 is like... 24.00000000000001".

yup FW bolts are 12pt 12mm, torque them in a star pattern.

but if he takes it to bustr to do this, he'll know all of this.
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

lol, the first time I dropped my tranny, I followed the helms manual step by step, and it didnt instruct me to take out #5, maybe you guys have less clearance on 4th gens. If you cant get it out, or put it back and you decide to take out #5 you also have to loosen that motor mount right there.

Radius rod def. has to come out, (or atleast get loosed so you can move it around.)

It's definately a fun job if your willing to work, first time I did it, it took me a weekend, second time and third time it took a couple of hours. The helms manual make you take out a bunch of **** that you dont really have to take off like exhaust down pipe, and a couple of other things.

it helps to have a friend or 2 around to give you a hand when its time to actually drop the tranny and when its time to put it back in place.

Your gonna need a clutch alignment tool.
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just throwing in random stuff as they come to my mind about dropping the tranny....

make sure you have deep sockets (for the tranny bracket)
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ok thanks alot guys. i would take it to bustr but im trying to save 350 bucks and im going there next month to get fully built and i want to learn how to drive fluent stick before i go boost
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i dont have the large impact socket for the bolt that connects the rotor to the axel so could i just loosen the steering knuckles and have enough play to pull the axels off the block and trans?
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

u can rent it from autozone. almost positive its 34mm as well.
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

and the tranny comes off and goes on in reverse, correct? i think it says that in my helms but just wanna make sure cause neutral seems like it would make sense
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

always did mine in neutral, you might have to move it around alittle when taking off the shifter cables.
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

neutral, altho it really isn't too big of a deal.

if the tranny gets shifted into a gear when its off the car, once you put the shifter cables back on on the tranny it'll pull the shifter into that specific gear, so it won't really mess anything up.
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

Hey if you want to bring the car to Queens, NY, I can do the job for you, I can probably even come out to where you are, PM if your interested.

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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

ill keep you guys updated. today i got the intake and everything out of the way, wheels off, shift linkage off, clutch cable off, that skid bar under the car, i got the bolt from the stabilizer bar off the crossmeber but the 2 bolts at the other end of the bar would not budge so i stopped. need to borrow a blow torch from a friend or something
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

did you break the axle nut before taking off the wheels? Im guessing your gonna try to take off #5 in the above diagram?
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yes im gunna take #5 out so i can have as much room as possible. im gunna hit the axel nut with my impact once i get the socket for it
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any confirmation that the axel nut is 34mm? im gunna run to autozone probably tomorow
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

confidence is way down now.lmao my shows clear signs of being a 1997 honda thats been lowered 2.5 inches in new jersey climate. the bolts around the suspension are welded on with rust and wont budge for crap keep hitting dead ends, ive worked for about 5 hours on the car so far and dont even have an axel off yet. i couldnt even get the caliper off=/
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Re: H22 starter grinding on flywheel??

you got air tools?
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