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5TH gen H23A blue top vtec???

iv had a 98 base 4 about 4 months & the timing belt let go & im pretty sure it bent all the valves so my question is does any1 here have or know sum1 thats done a H23A blue top swap in a 5th gen??? it seems 2 b the way 2 go but i just kinda want the fine print!!!lol or if any1 has any info on the belt issue let me know any help is good help!. . . i miss driving it so help me!!!!! thanx

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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

JDM H22A FTW, higher revs is more important for me in my driving style though. Plus their is a myriad of info on that swap and it should bolt up to your tranny np.
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Yea don't get me wrong I would never say the H22A4 is bad but I'm just tryin 2 upgrade& I found a place where I can get the H23A for about 3 bills cheaper than the 22 so it seems 2 b a good investment!! I have considered a F20B cuz I like RPMs as well but its the TQ of the 23 that I want!!
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Well why don't you be the first to do it?
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Bcuz I'm not! theirs like 4 on youtube I'm just tryin 2 hear from sum1 who knows 1st hand?? I wnna know its faster when I'm done so if sum1 can tell me that its a good improvment or not??
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

if you want torgue, a honda engine is the wrong place to look haha, j/k but the h23 blue top doesnt have that mch more torgue than an h22a. id still stick with that
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Lol yea I know hondas aren't known 4 torque!! & I love the h22 but my timing belt let go!! & I haven't really ever been a fan of stock or orginal that's y I got the lude bcuz u don't c them much around here its awesum!!!
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Are you trying to do a h23 longblock swap or just a h23/22 frankenstein swap... That is the way I would I know there is at least one dude on this forum who is running this setup (turbop though) and he would have the firsthand knowledge of the swap... In my opinion the only engine worth putting in a prelude would be the h or h frankenstein until someone lets us start to use k power.
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No I've found a 40k H23 4 a good price so I'm wanting 2 do that not the frankenstein @least not rite now lol!!!
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

To be honest a well built H22 would be a lot more powerful and torquey than a stocker H23, and would be cheaper. It's not hard to get extra torque out of the ol' H.

Though I'll admit that that a blue top H23 is way cooler than anything anybody does with a H22.

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if you want torgue, a honda engine is the wrong place to look haha, j/k but the h23 blue top doesnt have that mch more torgue than an h22a. id still stick with that
Umm...the H22 has one of the highest torque per unit of capacity measures around...
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Umm! the H23 has about 20ft lbs more than the 22 so ok 1 more time I broke a timing belt my just the head work is 2/3 of what I can get the blue top 4 so rebuilding is not an option rite now also I can get the 23 cheaper than the 22 I'm just trying 2 get sum facts!!!
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Umm! the H23 has about 20ft lbs more than the 22 so ok 1 more time I broke a timing belt my just the head work is 2/3 of what I can get the blue top 4 so rebuilding is not an option rite now also I can get the 23 cheaper than the 22 I'm just trying 2 get sum facts!!!
Try using punctuation. It won't all sound like one sentence.
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Umm! the H23 has about 20ft lbs more than the 22 so ok 1 more time I broke a timing belt my just the head work is 2/3 of what I can get the blue top 4 so rebuilding is not an option rite now also I can get the 23 cheaper than the 22 I'm just trying 2 get sum facts!!!
you want some facts? h23 only puts out 2lb ft of torque more than a jdm h22. the h22a also has more hp than the 23
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

I guess I should start again!! 90% of my info comes from google& everything I've ben reading says that a H23A is 220hp&like 165tq?? I mean if they r wrong then who's right? who knows the best place 2 find out these specs???
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

The H23A is a 200PS motor like the H22A.

It's not going to be much different to drop in an Accord motor than the Prelude motor. Just be mindful that they originally only came in automatic.
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

the h23 vtec motor mostly came in auto wid the tip tronic tranny.
i havent seen much after market parts for it, so mods mite be kinda hard.
i would go with a h22 an tune it for what u want.
first I/H/E an then maybe skunk 2 cams new springs.
if u want a blue valve cover either paint urs or buy one.
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Re: H23A blue top vtec???

Can always use a H23 crank in a H22 for a similar effect, that combined with re-sleeving and boring you can get 2.4L or so.

So the CH9 was available in manual? Have to wonder why they didn't just use the F20B like in the sedan.
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Re: 5TH gen H23A blue top vtec???

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iv had a 98 base 4 about 4 months & the timing belt let go & im pretty sure it bent all the valves so my question is does any1 here have or know sum1 thats done a H23A blue top swap in a 5th gen??? it seems 2 b the way 2 go but i just kinda want the fine print!!!lol or if any1 has any info on the belt issue let me know any help is good help!. . . i miss driving it so help me!!!!! thanx
Yeah one of my friends put a h23 blue top in his 5th gen, idk if it's fast or not, it's a euro engine so, it came with a right hand drive intake manifold so we couldn't put that on had to put the old one one, and right now is running with a h22 ecu, you prob knew but the h23 blue top is supposed to have 220hp, since it's on a h22 ecu..only has about 200 or so
if you're going to get the blue top you have to find one where the ecu is manual trans, unless you have a auto tans
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Yeah one of my friends put a h23 blue top in his 5th gen, idk if it's fast or not, it's a euro engine so, it came with a right hand drive intake manifold so we couldn't put that on had to put the old one one, and right now is running with a h22 ecu, you prob knew but the h23 blue top is supposed to have 220hp, since it's on a h22 ecu..only has about 200 or so
if you're going to get the blue top you have to find one where the ecu is manual trans, unless you have a auto tans
From what I've read the H23A VTEC only has around 200hp, I wanted to get one until i saw that the H22A has 220hp and more torque, around 160. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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From what I've read the H23A VTEC only has around 200hp, I wanted to get one until i saw that the H22A has 220hp and more torque, around 160. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are right about the h22 having 220hp, that's the type s motor I believe. It basically has almost the same specs as the euro h23 vtec, I checked on wikipedia, I'm pretty suretheir specs on the h23 is wrong..but it wikipedia. Idk. From what I've seen/heard, the euro h23 are in the accord sir. And most of them are only automatic.
I actually just drove my friends prelude, it's fast compared to mine..but not for long haha.
But h23 bluetop, from all the jdm engine sites I've seen they say it has 220hp and 163lbs trq
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The H23A VTEC was I believe only found in the CH9 Accord SiR AWD wagon. Not even sure if it was available in manual. Japanese EPC only shows auto. The rest of the SiR/SiR-T's I believe came with F20B's which are basically destroked H22A's, so less torque, but higher redline. I guess for the AWD wagon they wanted more torque and a earlier.
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You are right about the h22 having 220hp, that's the type s motor I believe. It basically has almost the same specs as the euro h23 vtec, I checked on wikipedia, I'm pretty suretheir specs on the h23 is wrong..but it wikipedia. Idk. From what I've seen/heard, the euro h23 are in the accord sir. And most of them are only automatic.
I actually just drove my friends prelude, it's fast compared to mine..but not for long haha.
But h23 bluetop, from all the jdm engine sites I've seen they say it has 220hp and 163lbs trq
yes, the h22 type s is rated at 220hp. and i really dont believe that the h23 blue top has the same amount of power. .1 liter isnt going to do sh!t, and it has the same compression as an h22a4
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yes, the h22 type s is rated at 220hp. and i really dont believe that the h23 blue top has the same amount of power. .1 liter isnt going to do sh!t, and it has the same compression as an h22a4
Yeah that's what I thought too, .1 liter is going to do much at all. But according all the jdm engine sites, they say it has 220hp, eh idk what to believe have swap it then dyno it haha, prob best way to find out if it's really 220 or not
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Yeah that's what I thought too, .1 liter is going to do much at all. But according all the jdm engine sites, they say it has 220hp, eh idk what to believe have swap it then dyno it haha, prob best way to find out if it's really 220 or not
On 5 H23 Blue top motors that i have seen with dyno sheets they all have started between 187-198hp

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The H23A VTEC was I believe only found in the CH9 Accord SiR AWD wagon. Not even sure if it was available in manual. Japanese EPC only shows auto. The rest of the SiR/SiR-T's I believe came with F20B's which are basically destroked H22A's, so less torque, but higher redline. I guess for the AWD wagon they wanted more torque and a earlier.
Correct about the accord wagon. They came in to options AWD and Front Wheel. I believe it was only available in Auto. The h22 trans will bolt up to it.

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Yeah one of my friends put a h23 blue top in his 5th gen, idk if it's fast or not, it's a euro engine so, it came with a right hand drive intake manifold so we couldn't put that on had to put the old one one, and right now is running with a h22 ecu, you prob knew but the h23 blue top is supposed to have 220hp, since it's on a h22 ecu..only has about 200 or so
if you're going to get the blue top you have to find one where the ecu is manual trans, unless you have a auto tans
As far as ecu's you can run P13 P28 or P72 if you run the p13 or P28 you need it to have a "base map" loaded and then tune it with your mods(Of course with a jumper harness). Also you should, "IMO", delete your butterflies in the IM or run an aftermarket intake manifold since these two ecu's are obd 1 they do no register the secondaries in your intake manifold. The P72 does.

Also you will need to swap or rewire your dizzy. Swap the intake manifold that comes on the blue top out with the one on your current motor.

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the h23 vtec motor mostly came in auto wid the tip tronic tranny.
i havent seen much after market parts for it, so mods mite be kinda hard.
i would go with a h22 an tune it for what u want.
first I/H/E an then maybe skunk 2 cams new springs.
if u want a blue valve cover either paint urs or buy one.
I agree. I have purchased the blue top and finally after gathering all the information that was out there I have it installed. I am running a p28 chipped and tuned from Phearable.net, V2 jumper harness, Soon to have a black trax IM, obd1 dizzy rewired for the obd 2 harness. All in All after everything was said and done i really wish i would have stuck with the "H22" there are tons of parts/part outs for built bottom ends or heads. If you blow your motor then what? Send in your blue top bottom end to be rebuilt? Black trax and Jeff quoted me at $34xx to have my bottom end built(turbo or N/A)
but yet i have seen people who have just lost interest or wrecked there cars and sell there built motor and trans for less. IMO do research before you make your final decision.
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so then is the h23a vtec obd2? (i know it was probably in there somewhere, but i didnt see it)
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They were I believe 98-02, so yeah.
ya i knew it was from a 98-02 but i didnt know if it being a jdm motor and all if it would still be obd1 or not..

so then it being obd2 it SHOULD be a direct plug in replacement for a h22a4.. right?
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