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full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

hello everybodyyy.

okay well ive been wondering on what i should do after bolt ons. i now have
-aem cold air intake
-fujitsubu header
-brullen cat back

and i believe thats it o.O.. all other stuff are different stuff

okay so now im at the point of deciding what to do on a budget. should i get a tune or a chip. i cant afford both. so any advice would be greatful
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

what exactly do you have on your lude? id say if you dont have anything else then i dont think a tune is really neccessary but i could be wrong. you could also get a throttle body, intake manifold, exhaust...those are technically bolt ons, right?
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

When you say a tune or a chip, what exactly do you mean?

You can't tune an OBD-II without:
A)switching to a chipped P13 or P28 OBD-I (this is the best way to do it... BUT you lose OBD-II and some states will not under any circumstances pass a 96+ car inspection if it has been switched back to OBD-I),
B)getting a piggyback of some sort like a VAFC (this is the easiest and cheapest way to do it while retaining OBD-II, but not as good as far as actual tuning goes as options A or C),
C)getting a fully customizable controller (very expensive and very advanced... not recommended unless you are building a track car and have a LOT of know how and a LOT of money).

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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

well i have a jdm h22a, so i know i have the OBD-I ECU....my OBD-II ecu is sitting in my garage with no use since i sold the h22 that came with my car....

neways i dont think im going to go VAFC since i dont have to. and i think a standalone controller is outta the question, im not running boost or something....

so right now i am not sure what type of ECU i have...all i know is i got it with my JDM h22a, i know its an OBD-I tho....if anyone can tell me what ECU it is?

hey BadMofo, the P13 ECU came with the 93-95 Prelude vtec (information i got off a site)....where did the P28 come from?

right now i dont know what ECU i have....so i dont know what ECU i should go with? what is better a chipped P13 or P28

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well i have a jdm h22a, so i know i have the OBD-I ECU....my OBD-II ecu is sitting in my garage with no use since i sold the h22 that came with my car....

neways i dont think im going to go VAFC since i dont have to. and i think a standalone controller is outta the question, im not running boost or something....

so right now i am not sure what type of ECU i have...all i know is i got it with my JDM h22a, i know its an OBD-I tho....if anyone can tell me what ECU it is?

hey BadMofo, the P13 ECU came with the 93-95 Prelude vtec (information i got off a site)....where did the P28 come from?

right now i dont know what ECU i have....so i dont know what ECU i should go with? what is better a chipped P13 or P28

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I believe the P28 came from the integra (could be wrong about that, though), but will work just fine once chipped and tuned.

You almost definitely have a P13 on there. The thing is, you can't have it tuned unless it is already chipped. So in other words, you will need to have it chipped if you want to have it tuned...

I'm not an expert on the topic, but I'm positive that a regular OBD-I can't be tuned without being chipped first.

If you really want some good advice, see if you can get a hold of "98vtec" on here. He has a wealth of knowledge on the subject.

Alternatively, you can do an "advanced search" and put "tune" in the "Search by keyword" and "98vtec" for "Search by user name".

Any post you can find by him on the matter is a post that you should read
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

alright thanks ill look for him, i am unsure b/w a VAFC or a chipped p13 then i guess?

is a chipped ecu proper? is it a custom tune like the VAFC? b/c i have heard rumors that chips dont do much on hondas, dont know if that is a misconception or not
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

how much money do you have? what are you looking to do with the car? short/long term goals?
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I know a guy sell a Hondata S200 sysem for $100.
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

i plan on just tuning the car with bolt ons and calling it a day...a hondata s200 for 100 dollars? can u let me know? i am interested in a hondata or a apexi vafc
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

decide if you want to go down the boost road or n/a path lol. if you have nothing else done, I'd probably work on handling. or did you mean what's next horsepower-wise after those bolt ons?
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

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alright thanks ill look for him, i am unsure b/w a VAFC or a chipped p13 then i guess?

is a chipped ecu proper? is it a custom tune like the VAFC? b/c i have heard rumors that chips dont do much on hondas, dont know if that is a misconception or not
Methinks you gotta do some more reading man.

"Chips" like the "SLR PERFORMANCE RACE CHIPS BOOST YOUR HORSEPOWER +50HP +50MPG" and bull**** like that are just that: bullsh!t.

A real chip, in the sense that we are talking, is a ROM chip that you put into your P13 ECU, and then someone with Hondata or Crome or eCtune or some other software can program it the correct way to make power for your specific car.

This is the best way to do it... it is better than a VAFC.

You already have a P13... if you are serious about getting tuned, this is the way you want to do it.



Anytime you see someone telling you "YO MAN I GOT THIS CHIP YOU PUT IT IN AND IT MAKES YOUR CAR TUNED BETTER", they are full of ****. Every car is different and needs to be tuned individually... there are no magic "performance chips"....

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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

yeah what he said, the only i thing i want add is yes you can tune your P13 with a AEM tunner thingy(can't think of the name), greddy emange, and a few others. but as far as hondata, ectune, crome, neptune, etc etc those aren't compatible with the P13 ecu you'd need to run a P28, P72 or a few other VTEC converted ecu's like a P06(i think).
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

so yeah i already have lowered springs and a rear sway bar, so im almost done my car neways.

but the ROM chip on the p13 ecu...do i need like anything else? i plan to go to a local tuner to do this
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you cannot tune the p13 (which is what your jdm h22a came with) unless hondata now supports it... the p28 is from vtec civic... p72 from teg, but more expensive... p05/06 and others can be converted to vtec...

here is my experience with boltons (I/H/E) and a tune... IMO it was worth the money for the low end torque... makes it more drivable while still fun in the lower powerband... it's not much, so it's not a clear cut decision... I spent over 600 for the ecu and dyno tune...:Dyno-Tuned p28 (185whp)

bottomline... tune it right or run the p13...

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hello everybodyyy.

okay well ive been wondering on what i should do after bolt ons. i now have
-aem cold air intake
-fujitsubu header
-brullen cat back

and i believe thats it o.O.. all other stuff are different stuff

okay so now im at the point of deciding what to do on a budget. should i get a tune or a chip. i cant afford both. so any advice would be greatful
wouldnt cams/valves/springs/rockers count as bolt ons too? jw considering they are litterally just bolted on. could go with that if ur just looking for a lil gain and some moneys to spend.
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

considering you gotta take the head off to put new valves in.... thats a lil more complex than just bolt-ons
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

Lol sorry about the misinformation about the P13... I coulda swore it could be chipped/socketed and tuned by Hondata.... My bad lol.

I told you I was no expert, but I hope I helped you get the general idea of what you wanna do.
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Lol sorry about the misinformation about the P13... I coulda swore it could be chipped/socketed and tuned by Hondata.... My bad lol.

I told you I was no expert, but I hope I helped you get the general idea of what you wanna do.
hondata MAY have added support... when I got eCtune they did not yet support the p13, but for some reason I was thinking they might... check on it!!!!!!!!!
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hondata MAY have added support... when I got eCtune they did not yet support the p13, but for some reason I was thinking they might... check on it!!!!!!!!!
Nah you were absolutely right, I just checked it out. I was under the impression that almost any OBD-I ECU could be used, and I was mistaken lol. Like I said, I'm far from an expert on the subject, especially as my car is bone stock still =P. I just wanted to give the guy some starting information at what he should be looking at.

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so i guess i will be looking for a p28 ECU haha. thank you guys for all the information :)
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you cannot tune the p13 (which is what your jdm h22a came with) unless hondata now supports it... the p28 is from vtec civic... p72 from teg, but more expensive... p05/06 and others can be converted to vtec...

here is my experience with boltons (I/H/E) and a tune... IMO it was worth the money for the low end torque... makes it more drivable while still fun in the lower powerband... it's not much, so it's not a clear cut decision... I spent over 600 for the ecu and dyno tune...:Dyno-Tuned p28 (185whp)

bottomline... tune it right or run the p13...
so best bang, im looking at a p28 or p72....would i need an adapter to connect the ECU?
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no on the adapter, as far as I know... a p28 will prob be cheaper, but a p72 is just as good (not better, some people just like the teggy prestige)... it's often cheapest to get a non-vtec ecu (p05, p06... etc.. they are most plentiful due to being civic ECUs) and convert to vtec... do whatever deal you can find that's best when you do it... it was easy for me because my tuner got it all, did it all, and it was all guaranteed :)
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

okay so far, i have these

-fujitsubo header
-aem cold air intake
-2.5brullen cat back
-magnaflow high flow cat
-8000k hids
-jdm replica fogs
-mugen bumper
-wwrs side+rear skirts
-some really high spoiler with the leds, i forgot what brand

next, a tune! YAY!
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:11 AM
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

intake manifold, throttle body, cams, then tune!
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:29 PM
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Re: full bolt ons. now what.. advice??

lets see a picture
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