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intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Okay some quick questions about intake manifold and throttle body...I wanted to get the skunk2 intake manifold.
ive done some searching and it seems that changing the TB is recommended. and it looks like it has
something to do with port matching. does port matching refer to something like: IM manifold is 66mm and the TB is 66mm.
Is that what it is referring too? or is it something else. also, based on some threads on the topic
the skunk2 IM does well with a bigger TB. would it be better, if possible, to get a sk2 TB and bore? it out to 66mm?
or buy a TB (skunk2 TB) that is already at 66mm? also, after doing some more reading I am still confused on the TB size for best
results when using the Skunk2 IM. Would a 70mm TB be better than 66mm one when the IM is 66mm? It seems like it but i just want to make sure... Ive included a couple of links I looked at that shows the
an intake manifold comparisson. I was using them to try and come to some sort of conclusion but im having a difficult time matching the results with the description. Its color
coded and Im red and green color blind lol...
http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php...ntake+manifold
http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=270167

Any help or links to more info would be appreciated. if im just being a noob let me know but tell me what i should be looking at or rereading.
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Okay some quick questions about intake manifold and throttle body...I wanted to get the skunk2 intake manifold.
ive done some searching and it seems that changing the TB is recommended. and it looks like it has
something to do with port matching. does port matching refer to something like: IM manifold is 66mm and the TB is 66mm.
Is that what it is referring too? or is it something else.
Yes that's what it's referring to.

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also, based on some threads on the topic
the skunk2 IM does well with a bigger TB. would it be better, if possible, to get a sk2 TB and bore? it out to 66mm?
or buy a TB (skunk2 TB) that is already at 66mm?
I think it'd be easier to just buy a S2 tb that's already 66mm. If you buy a S2K one you have to bore it out, then get a bigger butterlfy for it - which for my money is too much effort. Although iirc a S2K tb has been known to make noticable gains on a standard inlet manifold.


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also, after doing some more reading I am still confused on the TB size for best
results when using the Skunk2 IM. Would a 70mm TB be better than 66mm one when the IM is 66mm? It seems like it but i just want to make sure...
Throttle body on it's own doesn't add power, just improves throttle response. 70mm might make a bit of a difference in that respect.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Thanks for the response. I was looking into euro r IM from rosko racing and using a port matched s2k TB. or a skunk2 IM with a skunk2 TB....I figured/know I wont see any great gains in hp but better throttle response is something I wouldnt mind having.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Hey, I know they aren't the most well respected company in the world, but Blox has a 68mm throttle body that IL4 is selling for like $130 right now, and I think for a little extra they include a TPS for it.

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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Thats not bad. But I havent seen anybody mention a TB from Blox. So yea if anyone has experience with it please feel to give your input...Hopefully, if they are good, when I get my money they will still have the sale...I doubt it though.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

i am using the Skunk2 IM & TB on my H23 vtec...and i love every minute i'm in my car..throttle response is so much quicker and i did have to port match my IM to my TB since my TB is a 68mm skunk2 does not make the 70mm anymore.. i have a friend that is going to try out the Blox TB...so i will get back to you with what he tells me about it.

the only thing i will say about the Skunk2 TB is that the throttle pully sometimes sticks, so you would need to lube it a little..and i think just about everyone know that skunk2 tb are know to stick sometimes..but that is a minor issue.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Looks good...Let me know how that Blox works out. I stil have more research to do before I decide on what to do. I definitely like the idea of improved throttle response. Thanks for the input.
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no problem..i will update you after my boy installs the blox.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

S2 TBs are horrible.

The S2 IM will throw a CEL on your car unless you change the ECU.
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S2 TBs are horrible.

The S2 IM will throw a CEL on your car unless you change the ECU.
does that have something to do with a egr something or other?
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S2 TBs are horrible.

The S2 IM will throw a CEL on your car unless you change the ECU.
I am pretty sure the newer versions of the S2 IM have fixed the EGR issue. It now includes a EGR mounting kit....
http://www.skunk2.com/engine-2.php?code=INPROH
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Yes, a convenient bracket to mount your EGR valve to.

You'll still get a CEL.
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Yes, a convenient bracket to mount your EGR valve to.

You'll still get a CEL.
that blows.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Though throwing a CEL shouldn't be an issue, because you'd be crazy to spend that kind of coin upgrading the induction system, and still use the standard Honda brain to control the thing. A piggyback would be the absolute minimum for this, if not a standalone like a Hondata or Chrome.
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i never got a cel..and its true you will need to change your ecu or piggyback it..i am running a p28 on crome.
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Though throwing a CEL shouldn't be an issue, because you'd be crazy to spend that kind of coin upgrading the induction system, and still use the standard Honda brain to control the thing. A piggyback would be the absolute minimum for this, if not a standalone like a Hondata or Chrome.
Great...now I have to look into that as well. luckily i saved the pages that discussed ecu's...I think. Im starting to think that maybe I need to rethink this. Time to take infant steps....maybe a list of what I want then put it in the order of what needs to get done?
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i never got a cel..and its true you will need to change your ecu or piggyback it..i am running a p28 on crome.
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Though throwing a CEL shouldn't be an issue, because you'd be crazy to spend that kind of coin upgrading the induction system, and still use the standard Honda brain to control the thing. A piggyback would be the absolute minimum for this, if not a standalone like a Hondata or Chrome.
finally figured out how to use the multi quote lol anyway....

Would you guys recommend maybe the p28 or p72 despite its price along with hondata to tune those particular upgrades as well as other upgrades i/h/e??

ive provided a link that i used to look at the different ecu's...
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yes i know lol...all this is after i do the 5spd swap....just doing my research before i do anything else.
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yes i know lol...all this is after i do the 5spd swap....just doing my research before i do anything else.
just fyi, research usually means finding the information yourself through searching information and obtaining factual information. You are looking to be spoon fed information from people who might or might not know what you are talking about. if you are going to go at it that way, be careful of everything you take as factual. There tend to be many variables that will make a factual statement fallible
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just fyi, research usually means finding the information yourself through searching information and obtaining factual information. You are looking to be spoon fed information from people who might or might not know what you are talking about. if you are going to go at it that way, be careful of everything you take as factual. There tend to be many variables that will make a factual statement fallible
I respect and appreciate your concern. I know what research entails. It includes reading 15 or more articles from scholarly journals that have been peer reviewed and then writing out what the literature says about your topic of research. As I do not know of any scholarly journals that would discuss intake manifolds or throttle bodies(if you know of any please let me know) I use this and other forums to do my "research"(which is more like a literature review without the actual write up).
I did do my fair share of searching and reading through a couple of forums on my posted topic. And it was still unclear to me as this is fairly new to me. So I asked for clarification. This to me does not appear to be "looking to be spoon fed information" from people who might or might not know what I am talking about. If it does then I apologize for asking people to spoon feed me information and their opinions. Should this be the case I further ask that you please spoon feed me a way to get clarification if I do not understand something I have read or an opinion I requested. Thanks again.
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I respect and appreciate your concern. I know what research entails. It includes reading 15 or more articles from scholarly journals that have been peer reviewed and then writing out what the literature says about your topic of research. As I do not know of any scholarly journals that would discuss intake manifolds or throttle bodies(if you know of any please let me know) I use this and other forums to do my "research"(which is more like a literature review without the actual write up).
I did do my fair share of searching and reading through a couple of forums on my posted topic. And it was still unclear to me as this is fairly new to me. So I asked for clarification. This to me does not appear to be "looking to be spoon fed information" from people who might or might not know what I am talking about. If it does then I apologize for asking people to spoon feed me information and their opinions. Should this be the case I further ask that you please spoon feed me a way to get clarification if I do not understand something I have read or an opinion I requested. Thanks again.




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lol sorry, I had to.

Blake is that a misprint in your signature? How the hell are you runnin' 8 second quarter miles at only 81 mph?

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Well that makes much more sense =P.

I figured that, actually, but I figured I'd bust your stones anyway.
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Re: intake manifold and throttle body questions.

Dont mean to take over the thread, but I have an S2 IM (not installed yet) and I know that it has a 75mm intake port. The biggest TB S2 makes is the 70mm but they are notorious for sticking, so I was going to go with the 68mm. But I was also wondering if I could get a 75mm TB thats made for the K-series engines? Do you guys know if that would fit? Ive been lookin for awhile here during class lol and I would like to port match as closely as I can.
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