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alright so i just got my prelude about 2 weeks ago. its a 98 with 48k on it in perfect condition. the guy before me just drove it to car shows and thats it. this is my first tuner car mind you.

i have a few issues though.

1. the car is toooooo low. it has a gorgeous suspension system but its dropped like a bagger right now. the exhaust/muffler are literally only 2-3 inches off the ground max. now i love the look, but its not practical for me. how much is the minimum ground clearance i probably need to clear speed bumps while still maintaining that low appearance? any suggestions from anyone with a lowered lude? also would it effect performance is i were to have it raised a little more in that back than in the front for a mean agressive look? would getting bigger rims if i lift it a little maybe make it look more natural?

2. whenever i down shift i hear a squeaking from the rear of my car... now its been sitting for a few years so is it probably the suspension? maybe steering rack? im clueless but id like to know some possibilities before i bring it to a mechanic.

3. the car has an aem intake, dc ceramic header, and s&s exhaust system. its a 5spd as well with short shift. how many hp you think im pushing out estimated? the car sounds awesome so it doesnt really matter, just wanted to know.

im sure ill have more questions soon.. thanks alot, ill be postin pics before i raise it back up because it may be the lowest lude on here....
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alright so i just got my prelude about 2 weeks ago. its a 98 with 48k on it in perfect condition. the guy before me just drove it to car shows and thats it. this is my first tuner car mind you.

i have a few issues though.

1. the car is toooooo low. it has a gorgeous suspension system but its dropped like a bagger right now. the exhaust/muffler are literally only 2-3 inches off the ground max. now i love the look, but its not practical for me. how much is the minimum ground clearance i probably need to clear speed bumps while still maintaining that low appearance? any suggestions from anyone with a lowered lude? also would it effect performance is i were to have it raised a little more in that back than in the front for a mean agressive look? would getting bigger rims if i lift it a little maybe make it look more natural?

mine is 4-5 inches and i clear most things..... when i go over speed bumps wrong you hear the exhauts hit

2. whenever i down shift i hear a squeaking from the rear of my car... now its been sitting for a few years so is it probably the suspension? maybe steering rack? im clueless but id like to know some possibilities before i bring it to a mechanic.

ball joints possibly.....check your struts, and upper controll arms....


3. the car has an aem intake, dc ceramic header, and s&s exhaust system. its a 5spd as well with short shift. how many hp you think im pushing out estimated? the car sounds awesome so it doesnt really matter, just wanted to know.

not for sure, my guess would be 210-220?
what engine do you have on it?


im sure ill have more questions soon.. thanks alot, ill be postin pics before i raise it back up because it may be the lowest lude on here....

hope i helped a little bit, someone please correct me if my information is wrong

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thanks alot.. the engine is the 2.2 h22 but im unsure of the version
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5th gen 2.2l is probably a H22A DOCH VTEC honda engine wich if it is then when your driving, at 5,000 rpm you will notice your engine sounding like its more stressed by a ton =)

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It's an H22A4 if it's the original engine

H22A is a JDM engine
H22A1 is the H22 in the 4th Gen USDM Preludes.
H22A4 is the H22 in the 5th Gen USDM Preludes.

Honestly, with an intake, a DC Header (this is really just an OEM replacement header... no performance gains there), and an exhaust system, you're probably still right around stock HP. The H22's are notoriously hard to bolt-on serious HP to without a custom header and a good tune... they aren't like the B/D series motors where you slap bolt-ons on and really feel a big difference.

I believe stock bhp on an H22A4 is 197, so you're probably looking at right around 197-202... maybe 207 bhp at the most I would estimate.

What shodownet is talking about is commonly mistaken as vtec engaging. It's actually not. What you are actually hearing when the engine shifts into that louder more aggressive sound is the secondary runners opening in your intake manifold. I believe at 5200 RPMs, the secondary runners open up, and that is what makes it sound so aggressive (more air flowing in makes it sound much more aggressive). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but vtec will kick in at around 5800 RPM I believe.

It's strange that you only hear the squeaking when you downshift, and it's coming from the rear... If it really is coming from the rear, it should have nothing to do with you downshifting since all that stuff is up front =P. Now, if the sound is actually coming from the front of the car, then that squeaking could be a belt/pulley. When you downshift, the rotation of your crank pulley obviously speeds up quickly, and you could be hearing some squeaking coming from a pulley or belt. Let someone else drive the car with you in the passenger seat and your head out the window (pick someplace safe to do this though, please), when they downshift, try to get a better feel on where the sound is actually coming from.

If you think it is coming from a pulley or a belt, spray them down with some belt dressing and see if the squeaking stops... then you'll know for sure it is a belt and it's time to replace some belts. Keep an eye on your pulleys too to make sure there aren't any rattling around or it's time to replace them too.

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Do you have any pictures? I would love to see this car.
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lol pfft. 3rd gen ludes are lighter then 3rd or forth. therefore. less weight. faster accel. especially if i take out the vtec and turbo that. and in my opinion 3rd gens look better then 4th gens. 5th gens are alright but 4th gens are preeetty lame
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Re: couple questions..

also squeeking in the rear could be your shock mounting plate and bushing that keeps the shock assembled...they tend to sqeek at about 35k miles...but that depends on what kind of aftermarket suspension you are running if you even have the stock plate and bushing...
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It's an H22A4 if it's the original engine

H22A is a JDM engine
H22A1 is the H22 in the 4th Gen USDM Preludes.
H22A4 is the H22 in the 5th Gen USDM Preludes.

Honestly, with an intake, a DC Header (this is really just an OEM replacement header... no performance gains there), and an exhaust system, you're probably still right around stock HP. The H22's are notoriously hard to bolt-on serious HP to without a custom header and a good tune... they aren't like the B/D series motors where you slap bolt-ons on and really feel a big difference.

I believe stock bhp on an H22A4 is 197, so you're probably looking at right around 197-202... maybe 207 bhp at the most I would estimate.

What shodownet is talking about is commonly mistaken as vtec engaging. It's actually not. What you are actually hearing when the engine shifts into that louder more aggressive sound is the secondary runners opening in your intake manifold. I believe at 5200 RPMs, the secondary runners open up, and that is what makes it sound so aggressive (more air flowing in makes it sound much more aggressive). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but vtec will kick in at around 5800 RPM I believe.

It's strange that you only hear the squeaking when you downshift, and it's coming from the rear... If it really is coming from the rear, it should have nothing to do with you downshifting since all that stuff is up front =P. Now, if the sound is actually coming from the front of the car, then that squeaking could be a belt/pulley. When you downshift, the rotation of your crank pulley obviously speeds up quickly, and you could be hearing some squeaking coming from a pulley or belt. Let someone else drive the car with you in the passenger seat and your head out the window (pick someplace safe to do this though, please), when they downshift, try to get a better feel on where the sound is actually coming from.

If you think it is coming from a pulley or a belt, spray them down with some belt dressing and see if the squeaking stops... then you'll know for sure it is a belt and it's time to replace some belts. Keep an eye on your pulleys too to make sure there aren't any rattling around or it's time to replace them too.

thank you for the correction on VTEC. =)
i did not know what that was xD
i knew what it was on a ford, subaru, gm cars but i was not sure with honda's
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Pretty sure vtec kicks in at like 5500
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Pretty sure vtec kicks in at like 5500
5300?
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lol pfft. 3rd gen ludes are lighter then 3rd or forth. therefore. less weight. faster accel. especially if i take out the vtec and turbo that. and in my opinion 3rd gens look better then 4th gens. 5th gens are alright but 4th gens are preeetty lame
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is it? I know it's definately around there lol
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I think you are right... I think it's 5500 and the secondary intake runners open up just before it (I THINK around 5200 if I remember correctly...). That's why you hear the scream a little bit before you feel the pull of the vtec. The scream is from the intake runners, the pull is from the vtec =)
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i timed it and my intake kicks in at 5000 flat and vtec at 5500
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looks sharp, nice muffler....
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lol pfft. 3rd gen ludes are lighter then 3rd or forth. therefore. less weight. faster accel. especially if i take out the vtec and turbo that. and in my opinion 3rd gens look better then 4th gens. 5th gens are alright but 4th gens are preeetty lame
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real nice and clean there man, good find. what lip kit and spoiler is that?
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Also you said it sounds good. Can you post a video?
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thanks guys..

i still need to get in contact with the original owner to find out all the specs about the car, including the whole body kit..

performance wise it has everything but a turbo/supercharger.. aka intake, header, catback exhaust, performance tuning etc..

it also has neon/strobe in the engine bay and in the trunk, theres a tv setup in the trunk which i think is kinda overkill but it was a show car. rocksford fosgate system with a pioneer in-dash dvd player.. i wanna get it appraised cause i think i got a steal on it..

ill try and get a video up of me driving it and just of it revving up..
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omg that lude is so cleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean I am jealous!!!!1
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