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Old 08-09-2009, 09:45 PM
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Shifting Problems..

Well theres someone with a 4th gen thats having some of the same problems as I. the problem is my lude is hard to shift sometimes, especially 1st to 2nd and its not a syncro problem, like no grinding just wont leave neutral to go into second and all the gears are kinda stiff to get into. if i double clutch it seems to work a bit better. air in the clutch fluid lines?
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Re: Shifting Problems..

Have a buddy pump your clutch while you visually inspect the slave cylinder. Make sure it is traveling enough. If it isn't traveling enough, bleed the system and put some fresh fluid into it, bleeding it until there are no bubbles and the fluid runs out clean. If it still isn't traveling enough, replace the slave cylinder itself. If it still isn't traveling enough, replace the master cylinder (no fun). And if all else fails, time to rip the tranny down and pray you only need to replace your clutch and/or flywheel.
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Have a buddy pump your clutch while you visually inspect the slave cylinder. Make sure it is traveling enough. If it isn't traveling enough, bleed the system and put some fresh fluid into it, bleeding it until there are no bubbles and the fluid runs out clean. If it still isn't traveling enough, replace the slave cylinder itself. If it still isn't traveling enough, replace the master cylinder (no fun). And if all else fails, time to rip the tranny down and pray you only need to replace your clutch and/or flywheel.
The slave looks fine but in my clutch reserviour there is like some black junk around the inside of it? this mean anything?
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Re: Shifting Problems..

Get a buddy to help you bleed it out with clean fluid. Check the cap, but I think it is DOT 3.

Get a turkey baster that you don't need and use it to suck out all of the dirty fluid out of the reservoir before you start... it'll speed up the process of flushing the old stuff out.

Use the baster to get as much of the old nasty fluid out of the reservoir as you can, then, use a lint free rag of some sort and clean out the inside of the reservoir as much as you can. Then, fill the reservoir with clean fluid up to the max line, close the cap back off (if you don't close the cap, you can introduce more air into the system.. so, no pumping while the cap is open) and bleed the system out, making sure to open and fill the reservoir to the max with clean fluid whenever it starts to run low. Keep bleeding it until there are no bubbles and only clean fluid is coming out.

Bleeding is a two man operation, and you should only do it if you know what you are doing, or you know someone who knows what they are doing. Don't jump into it if you don't know what you're doing.

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Get a buddy to help you bleed it out with clean fluid. Check the cap, but I think it is DOT 3.

Get a turkey baster that you don't need and use it to suck out all of the dirty fluid out of the reservoir before you start... it'll speed up the process of flushing the old stuff out.

Use the baster to get as much of the old nasty fluid out of the reservoir as you can, then, use a lint free rag of some sort and clean out the inside of the reservoir as much as you can. Then, fill the reservoir with clean fluid up to the max line, close the cap back off (if you don't close the cap, you can introduce more air into the system.. so, no pumping while the cap is open) and bleed the system out, making sure to open and fill the reservoir to the max with clean fluid whenever it starts to run low. Keep bleeding it until there are no bubbles and only clean fluid is coming out.

Bleeding is a two man operation, and you should only do it if you know what you are doing, or you know someone who knows what they are doing. Don't jump into it if you don't know what you're doing.

I'm pretty sure I know how to bleed it, you have someone in the car put hte clutch to the floor and then you crack the bleeder, then close the bleeder and repeat?

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Get a buddy to help you bleed it out with clean fluid. Check the cap, but I think it is DOT 3.
Yeah its DOT 3 and 4
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I'm pretty sure I know how to bleed it, you have someone in the car put hte clutch to the floor and then you crack the bleeder, then close the bleeder and repeat?
Yeah that's pretty much it. Just make sure to close the bleeder before taking your foot back off the clutch. I think that technically the bleeders are one way valves so it shouldn't suck air back up into it, but better to be safe than sorry. Also, I think you have to manually pull the clutch pedal back up if it doesn't return on its own. Make sure that the reservoir stays maxed out the whole time too... It's a tiny reservoir and empties out quickly so you should add more every few pumps if it starts to look low.
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Yeah that's pretty much it. Just make sure to close the bleeder before taking your foot back off the clutch. I think that technically the bleeders are one way valves so it shouldn't suck air back up into it, but better to be safe than sorry. Also, I think you have to manually pull the clutch pedal back up if it doesn't return on its own. Make sure that the reservoir stays maxed out the whole time too... It's a tiny reservoir and empties out quickly so you should add more every few pumps if it starts to look low.
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Re: Shifting Problems..

No problem man. Hopefully that will help your issues, but I can't promise anything =/.

It might still be time for a new clutch...

And that, my friend, is a whole new ball game. It can definitely be done with the help of some mechanically inclined friends, but it is NOT easy at all, and is pretty damn time consuming. The positive is: you get a brand new clutch (and possibly even flywheel!) of your choosing!

When my clutch went, it was similar to your situation. Wouldn't go into any gears (non-synchro related), double clutching helped temporarily, but eventually the **** just stopped working altogether one day on my way home from work. It sucks, but it's the price we pay for driving stick!

Good luck dude.

Another thing to keep in mind though, is that it is normal in our cars to sometimes have trouble getting into first. My clutch is less than a year old and I still sometimes have to double pump the clutch to get the car into first when I'm at a red light. It shouldn't happen like a lot a lot, but it does happen sometimes and is more of a design flaw in the gearing than a clutch problem.

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No problem man. Hopefully that will help your issues, but I can't promise anything =/.

It might still be time for a new clutch...

And that, my friend, is a whole new ball game. It can definitely be done with the help of some mechanically inclined friends, but it is NOT easy at all, and is pretty damn time consuming. The positive is: you get a brand new clutch (and possibly even flywheel!) of your choosing!

When my clutch went, it was similar to your situation. Wouldn't go into any gears (non-synchro related), double clutching helped temporarily, but eventually the **** just stopped working altogether one day on my way home from work. It sucks, but it's the price we pay for driving stick!

Good luck dude.

Another thing to keep in mind though, is that it is normal in our cars to sometimes have trouble getting into first. My clutch is less than a year old and I still sometimes have to double pump the clutch to get the car into first when I'm at a red light. It shouldn't happen like a lot a lot, but it does happen sometimes and is more of a design flaw in the gearing than a clutch problem.
First it the worst. I'm going to try some gear oil (Our cars don't take any special gear oil do they?) before I blame the clutch.
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First it the worst. I'm going to try some gear oil (Our cars don't take any special gear oil do they?) before I blame the clutch.
A lot of people have success with GM Syncromesh, but I can't personally vouch for it one way or another since I've never used it... otherwise, I recommend OEM Honda Manual Transmission Fluid... that's what I used. It can't hurt to try.

I don't think either is "true" gear oil (like tractor/heavy truck gear oil), but fresh fluid can help regardless.

If all else fails, I guess it's time to start looking at the dreaded clutch replacement lol.

Good luck.
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A lot of people have success with GM Syncromesh, but I can't personally vouch for it one way or another since I've never used it... otherwise, I recommend OEM Honda Manual Transmission Fluid... that's what I used. It can't hurt to try.

I don't think either is "true" gear oil (like tractor/heavy truck gear oil), but fresh fluid can help regardless.

If all else fails, I guess it's time to start looking at the dreaded clutch replacement lol.

Good luck.
Gear oil is just what manual tranny fluid is referred to around here. I'm going to get some fluid to day but as ****ed as it sounds I just took something to my mother and thats about 16km through hilly windy road and the darn thing shifted perfect the whole way...
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