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Great HP gains with out forced induction

Name some good solid gains i could see from some good quality parts to help boost power.
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SMSP header, cat back exhaust/hi flow cat(those mainly depend on preference in look and sound) intake, cams with adjustable camgears, accord EuroR intake manifold, chipped ecu and a good tune..

alot of these things really depend on preference in products and how extreme you really want to go and what you ultimately want to do with the car in the future..

but the cheapest easiest way to get quick power is to put the bottle on it...
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Re: Great HP gains with out forced induction

The biggest thing is getting a tunable ecu or having someone re-flash your obd2 ecu, if! they know what they are doing.

^As stated above, "start with straight shots, and then pop bottles"
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SMSP header, cat back exhaust/hi flow cat(those mainly depend on preference in look and sound) intake, cams with adjustable camgears, accord EuroR intake manifold, chipped ecu and a good tune..

alot of these things really depend on preference in products and how extreme you really want to go and what you ultimately want to do with the car in the future..

but the cheapest easiest way to get quick power is to put the bottle on it...
This pretty much sums it up... be carefull with the spray though
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The biggest thing is getting a tunable ecu or having someone re-flash your obd2 ecu, if! they know what they are doing.

^As stated above, "start with straight shots, and then pop bottles"
I'm pretty sure that for any decent tuning program on the market right now you gotta switch to OBD1.

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thanks a lot guys...i will look into all of this......knowing i am only a highschooler the bottle may not be an option hahah
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Re: Great HP gains with out forced induction

Well the bottle will be a hell of a lot cheaper than the other stuff he listed.

For the mods he listed above are going to run you 1-2k, if done right. The bottle, you can get a pretty decent kit with a heater, purge, remote bottle opener for 400-700 if you look around.
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thanks a lot guys...i will look into all of this......knowing i am only a highschooler the bottle may not be an option hahah
If your a highschooler then the title to this thread should have read :
"Great HP gains with out forced induction, and cheap!" BUT such a thing doesn't exist...I suggest you do what I'm doing. Save up your money. I'm starting my first semester at college in two weeks, So I obviously can't be dumping money into my lude. Just do small things, keep the engine stock or only lightly mod it. And save your money until you can invest the money needed to do it properly. unfortunately going N/A does't yield the kind of results FI does, and it takes more knowledge and bank. Point is, HP is not cheap. N/A is a very respectable way to go and FI will have you running times with the big boys but blowin all your money will just leave you tryin to scrape together something for gas. no fun.

Eh I'm just a party pooper I guess...If you want some gains I just the usual I/H/E setup. Just don't expect to be puttin down amazing runs without puttin down some serious coin.
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If your a highschooler then the title to this thread should have read :
"Great HP gains with out forced induction, and cheap!" BUT such a thing doesn't exist...I suggest you do what I'm doing. Save up your money. I'm starting my first semester at college in two weeks, So I obviously can't be dumping money into my lude. Just do small things, keep the engine stock or only lightly mod it. And save your money until you can invest the money needed to do it properly. unfortunately going N/A does't yield the kind of results FI does, and it takes more knowledge and bank. Point is, HP is not cheap. N/A is a very respectable way to go and FI will have you running times with the big boys but blowin all your money will just leave you tryin to scrape together something for gas. no fun.

Eh I'm just a party pooper I guess...If you want some gains I just the usual I/H/E setup. Just don't expect to be puttin down amazing runs without puttin down some serious coin.

ya i may be a high schoolers but the job pays.....making anywhere from 13-20 dollars an hour. I get paid more tips than i do per my hour wage of 7.25 usually. I have about 3 grand saved up and what the **** do i have it to spend on.....my parants are paying for my college funds and everything...
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ya i may be a high schoolers but the job pays.....making anywhere from 13-20 dollars an hour. I get paid more tips than i do per my hour wage of 7.25 usually. I have about 3 grand saved up and what the **** do i have it to spend on.....my parants are paying for my college funds and everything...
well damn, why not save a little more and go FI???
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Re: Great HP gains with out forced induction

You can't just get a few parts and gain a wad of power unless it is boost or nitrous. Any other way and it's going to be lots of parts and lots of money.
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If you can get like 2-3k more, you could easily do a decently high power FI setup.
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I haven't really read a lot of what people have said, but my list would be like this, in this order...

Intake (Type S is my recommendation)
Header (RMF, SMPS, etc etc NO REPLICA'S!)
Cams (Skunk2 Is supposed to make some really good ones)
-> along with cams, go with upgraded valves spring and retainers.
A GOOD TUNE. I recommend Hondata Tuning, but everyone has different preferences. I've never hear ANY bad about hondata.

If your looking to make cheap (and not so reliable power) I would go with nitrous and get a good tune for it. Nitrous by itself blows motors. NITROUS WITH A TUNE THAT SUITS YOUR SHOT OF NITROUS.
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power to weight
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hi power fi setup......explain never heard of it
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Turbo, SC....will give you much more gain than an N/A setup...you should do a little research before you decide to blow your money and get disappointed...just sayin...
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Power to weight? He's not gonna gut a DD. Thats rediculous.

Displacement? Its a 5th Gen. He's already got a h22. Unless he goes H23 Vtec or Stroked H22 displacement isn't an option. Both of them are expensive and not worth the gains he's looking for.

Tuning I can agree with. But not with a stock motor.

Your a very intelligent prelude owner and racer, but I'm sorry I can't really agree with anything you've said there.
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Power to weight? He's not gonna gut a DD. Thats rediculous.

Displacement? Its a 5th Gen. He's already got a h22. Unless he goes H23 Vtec or Stroked H22 displacement isn't an option. Both of them are expensive and not worth the gains he's looking for.

Tuning I can agree with. But not with a stock motor.

Your a very intelligent prelude owner and racer, but I'm sorry I can't really agree with anything you've said there.
he said great HP gains without going forced induction. Making the money he does, he could get a stroked h23 bottom end built with all OEM internals for relatively cheap.

There is no replacement for displacement. if you are going to stay NA, sticking to the h22 displacement isnt really even an option if you really want to make great power. I picked up almost a second at the quarter mile just building my bottom end and taking it close to a 2.4L. the difference between a built h22 and a stroked h22 is night and day.

Tuning even a stock engine will turn the car into something you have never felt before. Ask me how i know?
Not only do you gain WOT performance, but acceleration and all aspects of driving are changed for the better. Altogether, tuning makes the car a lot more fun to drive even in stock form.

you have never done any of this stuff, so your opinion is pretty much void.
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he said great HP gains without going forced induction. Making the money he does, he could get a stroked h23 bottom end built with all OEM internals for relatively cheap.

There is no replacement for displacement. if you are going to stay NA, sticking to the h22 displacement isnt really even an option if you really want to make great power. I picked up almost a second at the quarter mile just building my bottom end and taking it close to a 2.4L. the difference between a built h22 and a stroked h22 is night and day.

Tuning even a stock engine will turn the car into something you have never felt before. Ask me how i know?
Not only do you gain WOT performance, but acceleration and all aspects of driving are changed for the better. Altogether, tuning makes the car a lot more fun to drive even in stock form.

you have never done any of this stuff, so your opinion is pretty much void.

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Power to weight? He's not gonna gut a DD. Thats rediculous.

Displacement? Its a 5th Gen. He's already got a h22. Unless he goes H23 Vtec or Stroked H22 displacement isn't an option. Both of them are expensive and not worth the gains he's looking for.

Tuning I can agree with. But not with a stock motor.

Your a very intelligent prelude owner and racer, but I'm sorry I can't really agree with anything you've said there.

As far as the whole power - weight thing goes, I'm not really sure what your argument is... power to weight ratio is the single most important thing in making your car go fast in a straight line, period. Furthermore, it's very cheap to do little weight reductions. We're not talking about completely gutting it out, but there is a bit you can do to drop a little bit of weight. For instance: gut all the carpet out of your trunk, remove your power steering if driving without power steering doesn't bother you (besides, that not only reduces weight, but also reduces ROTATIONAL MASS!), remove your A/C (if you can stand the heat, depending on where you live), any extra crap you have laying around in your trunk/back seat, if you're gonna upgrade rims anyway, make sure they are light weight (again, reducing rotational mass also), etc... Get creative... if you don't need it in your car to pass inspection, take it out! I bet you can save yourself close to 100 lbs out of your car, and still use it as a D/D.

Also, there is one thing that 98vtec said in there that is absolutely non-negotiable in the world of motorsports... There is no replacement for displacement!

Seriously... If you are going to stay N/A, there is only so much horsepower you can add (and it won't be much) before you need to start stroking/boring out the cylinders to see more results...

Besides, while going for displacement is a bit complex for some, and a bit expensive/laborious, so is everything you listed Smok3y. Tuning, custom headers, intake, exhaust, cams (good ones), nitrous (the proper way), etc, is all going to cost deep into the thousands.

Both ways are expensive, and that's just the dilemma we face with these cars.

Fast, cheap, reliable. Pick two out of three... you can't have all three.


The bottom line is this... save your money, do lots of research, and spend it wisely. If you truly want "great" HP gains... you gotta pay to play. I know what you wanted to hear (Cold air intake, exhaust, and header), but the truth is: that's just not going to give you any type of quantifiable gains.

I'd also like to point out to everyone that nitrous makes your car no longer N/A (in my opinion, at least)... It is also something that shouldn't just be thrown about as much as it is around here... There is a lot to think about before just slapping a bottle on and calling it a day.

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