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Manual VS. Automatic

OK, before I even ask this, remember I'm only 16 and i don"t have a ton of experience, just what i have read.

I bought a 1998 Prelude with an automatic, and one of the first things i wanted to do is preform a manual swap. I had a car before this that i learned to drive on that was a manual so that's what I'm used to. Now of course I've read the boards and stuff about how manual is so much better too if you want more horsepower.

My dad, who is a seasond track racer, disagrees. He has driven both, and assures me that an auto would be faster straightline because of the time between shifts. Now he comes from SS Camaros with 454's and a wet shot, so I don't know if this compares.

I'm just curious to know what you guys think, especially the more experienced ones. I really don't want replies that only consist of "manual FTW n00b" lol. Cause this affect what i want to do in the future to my car too.
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Re: Manual VS. Automatic

alrigt lets put it simple for you.. manual hondas>auto hondas..

american cars, subarus, etc auto is better.. but simply, auto hondas are piece of crap cars that wernt meant for racing AT ALL.. only for daily driving, grocery getter.

ever wonder why every racing type of honda (type-r civic, type-r NSX, RSX type-s, civic si, s2000 etc. came in manual only?
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alrigt lets put it simple for you.. manual hondas>auto hondas..

american cars, subarus, etc auto is better.. but simply, auto hondas are piece of crap cars that wernt meant for racing AT ALL.. only for daily driving, grocery getter.

ever wonder why every racing type of honda (type-r civic, type-r NSX, RSX type-s, civic si, s2000 etc. came in manual only?
and you forgot the Prelude Type SH only comes in 5 speed!!
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Re: Manual VS. Automatic

honda's auto transmissions..... are the shiitiest auto's in the industry. not to mention if you start racing/beating on them.


if he's racing a pro-stock car (or w/e ) built purely for the track and thats it, he prolly has a 10K auto tranny which will obviously shift faster than any manual. your dad hasta understand the difference between purpose-built race cars, and like ludelove said... grocery getters.
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i mean barring the quality of the transmition, how could a manual ever be better?
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more reliable for one. makes more power for two. more fun to drive for three. shall we go on?
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Re: Manual VS. Automatic

Don't get me wrong, i loved driving my stupid colored saturn 5-speed, and i know it relates to more horsepower, but i guess i don't understand how it could be faster when you remove the only part that could change it's performance (human error).
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Re: Manual VS. Automatic

You read through this?
http://preludezone.com/showthread.php?t=10442

And to put it simply, put my stock 5 speed against your stock auto and Imma walk on you every time. Throw bolt-ons and maybe a VAFC tune, and I'll still pull on you. Like they said above, the autos weren't meant by any means to be racing trannys or to even take any kind of beating.
Also take into account the way they shift. By the time an auto Prelude is done shifting and starting to pull again, the person in the manual (if it's a good driver) will have done the same. Oh and the 5 speed gears are shorter, which help a LOT in the acceleration. My dad has an auto Lude and complains about it being sluggish all the time.
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Re: Manual VS. Automatic

cuz 90% of people who regularly drive stick can shift faster than an auto tranny (STOCK!!!! not a racing tranny!!!!!!)
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Haha, i know the have a bum rep for dying, but mines at 180k with no signs of failure. Knock on wood. The elderly couple who owned her before me were gentle to the drive train, just not the exterior, ech. I guess it's just my inexperience from racing and driving in general that makes it hard to see, but that's why i came to you guys. :)
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well, someone on here dynoed his car before and after his 5 speed swap. he gained 60+ hp no lie. so even though you think an auto might shift faster, what do you think is quicker. a 130hp prelude or a 190hp lude? plus when you start using the triptronic to start racing, that transmission is gonna die so much faster than when those elderly people drove it normally
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^True dat, you'll have more fun with the lude after a swap, especially if you plan on racing it legally
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yeah, i planned on swapping it anyways, because i like the control of a 5-speed better, i was just clarifying somethings. Thank you guys for answering me and not bashing. I have to say this is the best forum for honda cars online.
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i think autos are just boaring. Drove my friend's BMW sport and didn't feel like a a sport at all. The throttle didnt feel responsive at all. Compared to my prelude shifting is more fun for getting the power down exactly when you want it. Especialy for cournering when you want high revs to power out. just thought i would add what i thought reguards mike.
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with 180k on the clock, you have think is it really worth it to spend the money for a 5sp swap?
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i think autos are just boaring. Drove my friend's BMW sport and didn't feel like a a sport at all. The throttle didnt feel responsive at all. Compared to my prelude shifting is more fun for getting the power down exactly when you want it. Especialy for cournering when you want high revs to power out. just thought i would add what i thought reguards mike.
I got my sister's boyfriend's G35 earlier today to wash and wax... First I'd like to say I've never seen a car so filthy, inside and out, that wasn't owned by someone that couldn't afford soap for themselves.
Anyway, it's a manual. I drove the auto sedan once betore and it sucked. The manual really hauls ass.
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Manual>Auto

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My buddy has a Brands spankin new 2009 eclipse...base modle...he says its a 5spd auto...but i no that its really 4spd....Gears are way to long to b nything else
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hmm IDK if this would even be the same or not but i drove an eclipse modded and turbo'ed with some sort of auto trans kit... stock shifter nob and stuff ... just moved it up till it got to drive ... and lemme tell u that thing FLEW.. but yeah that was an eclipse dunno if u can do that to the lude haha.. and im lookin to do a swap too haha so we are in teh same boat
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deff 5spd auto sucks especially on the prelude when it dies out on you
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Auto trannys are lame, wait till u learn how to chirp 1st gear all the way to 5th gear its funnnn (with the proper clutch)
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my auto with intake, header, full exhaust, ngk plugs and wires, some weight reduction, cam gears, and afc neo (untuned but using vtec control) still cannot beat my buddys bone stock 5spd lude. at the track i met a guy with about the same mods as me but had A/C and power steering removed and a 5spd ran 1.4 seconds faster than me in the quarter mile. thats why my next big project is def gonna be a 5spd swap.
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Yeah I only like my auto tranny wjen I'm stuck in traffic, other than that I hate it. I'm gonna get the tranny swap eventually, but right now I'm too busy loving my bike
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