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oil issue and maintnance light issue

I changed my oil about 2-3 weeks ago and i put full sythetic in, i check my oil every few days, my oil is solid black, and it seems like its been burning oil. are preludes known to burn oil? i put 4 quarts in when i changed it, i have a doch v-tech 2.2L 4 banger it looks like im half a quart low and black oil on the dip stick, should i change it again? did i put enough oil in? did i put the wrong kind in? (i put 10w 20)



my maintnance light had a yellow look to it, i hit that curb and now it has a redish look to it, what can i do to get it off?

no pullys got off track, no wires cut, fluids are ok, what else could it be?
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

My lude burns it kinda quick too, especially after the hi flow cat i threw on, plus i have very high mileage on my current engine, did you do a regular oil change or a flush also?
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

reguler, i dont know how to flush

also i have 113,000 on my car almost 114,000

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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

you should only use 5w30 or 10w30 in warmer areas. and it takes a little less than 5 qts to fill up at an oil change. your motor may just be really dirty inside and thats why it turned black so fast.
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

is it bad that it is black?
should have my engine rebuilt?
how do i flush it?
is it ok as is?
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

Usually when an oil dipstick is burnt or has a black/brown stain on it, it means the oil hasn't been changed at regular intervals.

I've heard good and bad things about GumOut. You buy 2 oil filters, do an oil change with the GumOut product, then flush and put on another filter and use new oil. Its supposed to help clean out the gunk and deposits in your car.

Your maintenance required light is just a light to change oil (as long as its just maintenance required and not check engine). My girlfriend has a 2004 civic and it blinks 3 times on start up when she is over her 3000 miles. After 5000 miles the light stays on the whole time the car is running. I'm sure it just changed from yellow to red to tell you to get your oil changed.

Also, H22's (2.2 VTEC motor) are notorious for burning oil. There isn't much you can do about it except get the motor rebuilt (which is bookoo bucks) or buy another motor that doesn't burn oil. Some people get good results from using High-Mileage oil which has additives that slow leaks and burning. Also I heard higher weight oil can slow burning, but it may put a strain on your internals.

If your worried about the blackness of your oil, just do your own oil changed and let every drop of dirty oil out of the drain hole then refill. You could also run a few quarts through it, then drain it and fill it again.

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so get the gumout and put that in with a few quarts wit the oil plug out to flush it?


im confused o.o
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I changed my oil about 2-3 weeks ago and i put full sythetic in, i check my oil every few days, my oil is solid black, and it seems like its been burning oil. are preludes known to burn oil? i put 4 quarts in when i changed it, i have a doch v-tech 2.2L 4 banger it looks like im half a quart low and black oil on the dip stick, should i change it again? did i put enough oil in? did i put the wrong kind in? (i put 10w 20)
-my maintnance light had a yellow look to it, i hit that curb and now it has a redish look to it, what can i do to get it off?
-no pullys got off track, no wires cut, fluids are ok, what else could it be?
Ok where to begin. First off all of the answers to your questions are in your owners manual but I will save you the time and give you answers that I have aquired by owning a prelude.
Oil Capacity 5.2 quarts so to start you were already at least a quart low.
Oil weight should be 5 w 30 and thats about it maybe 10 w 30 in a pinch.
If you have an engine over 15-20k miles than you do not want to use a synthetic oil. While it is the best of the best synthetic oil cleans out the engines insides for lack of a better term. Unless you have always run synthetic oil (doubtful unless you have owned the car its entire life) it will just cause you problems. When conventional oil is used it builds up "sludge" on all parts and seals. (Even when changed regularly) If one then puts synthetic oil in that sludge gets cleaned out and this will create leaks in seals and around the pistons. I know all of this from personal experience because I did the same thing thinking that a synthetic oil is the best no matter what. I then learned this about oil and its properties. I had to replace about half of my seals and I still have a tiny leak. On top of this issue the H22 (this is your engine code and is what is is commonly refered as) has whats called FRM (Fiber Reinforced Material/Matrix) lined cylinders. These are very prone to burn oil. The cylinders are so smooth that the oil can sneak past your piston rings and burn up.
My recomendation is to go to your local autoparts store and get an engine flush. Follow the directions because this process is just as easy as changing your oil. Then get a high milage conventional 5 w 30 oil. An maybe an oil additive to help with burning issues.
That resolves your oil issues as long as your seals are still holding up. You might want to take it to a mechanic and have them check your seals and timing belt tensioner because this could be leaking as well. (This is what happend to me)
The maintenance light is a very small issue and you can resolve it in about 30 seconds. There is a little slot in your speedometer with what looks like a button shaped like two hills and a valley. Take your ignition key and push that little button. The light will go back to green. This light is just hondas reminder system to get your oil changed and turns colors after about 5k miles (not sure on the milage but the specific number is in your owners manual)

Hope that resovles your issues and dont be afraid to thumb through the owners manual there is tons of great info in there.
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ah, thank you, this helps me so much! i have only had my prelude for 2 months and i changed my oil but i didnt reset it, everytime i change it should i reset it?
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so get the gumout and put that in with a few quarts wit the oil plug out to flush it?


im confused o.o
You put the gumout in and a new filter, run it for 10 minutes, then drain the gumout, put oil in, and put on a new filter.


Gumout also makes oil additives (which is different then a gumout oil change) and they also have gasoline additives. I would suggest doing the whole gumout engine flush.


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ah, thank you, this helps me so much! i have only had my prelude for 2 months and i changed my oil but i didnt reset it, everytime i change it should i reset it?
Yes. this way your reminded to do your oil change when your light comes on.
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Ok where to begin. First off all of the answers to your questions are in your owners manual but I will save you the time and give you answers that I have aquired by owning a prelude.
Oil Capacity 5.2 quarts so to start you were already at least a quart low.
Oil weight should be 5 w 30 and thats about it maybe 10 w 30 in a pinch.
If you have an engine over 15-20k miles than you do not want to use a synthetic oil. While it is the best of the best synthetic oil cleans out the engines insides for lack of a better term. Unless you have always run synthetic oil (doubtful unless you have owned the car its entire life) it will just cause you problems. When conventional oil is used it builds up "sludge" on all parts and seals. (Even when changed regularly) If one then puts synthetic oil in that sludge gets cleaned out and this will create leaks in seals and around the pistons. I know all of this from personal experience because I did the same thing thinking that a synthetic oil is the best no matter what. I then learned this about oil and its properties. I had to replace about half of my seals and I still have a tiny leak. On top of this issue the H22 (this is your engine code and is what is is commonly refered as) has whats called FRM (Fiber Reinforced Material/Matrix) lined cylinders. These are very prone to burn oil. The cylinders are so smooth that the oil can sneak past your piston rings and burn up.
My recomendation is to go to your local autoparts store and get an engine flush. Follow the directions because this process is just as easy as changing your oil. Then get a high milage conventional 5 w 30 oil. An maybe an oil additive to help with burning issues.
That resolves your oil issues as long as your seals are still holding up. You might want to take it to a mechanic and have them check your seals and timing belt tensioner because this could be leaking as well. (This is what happend to me)
The maintenance light is a very small issue and you can resolve it in about 30 seconds. There is a little slot in your speedometer with what looks like a button shaped like two hills and a valley. Take your ignition key and push that little button. The light will go back to green. This light is just hondas reminder system to get your oil changed and turns colors after about 5k miles (not sure on the milage but the specific number is in your owners manual)

Hope that resovles your issues and dont be afraid to thumb through the owners manual there is tons of great info in there.
Everything I was about to say. Good job nub! I find it hard to believe you're a nub after a post like that though.
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

just a noob to this specific forum and i dont always have time to forum hop. I try to help when i can cause honda forums have helped me in the past. Just got done reading the how to build N/a h22s and loved it but i do feel that ebay parts can be a good replacement when saving up for the better parts (thats what i am doing and I feel that i/h/e are mostly just pipes that can be knocked off easily and provide decent power numbers in the mean time while saving up for those B E A utifuly hytech headers) little off topic but i wanted to vent after reading five pages of opinions.
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I feel that i/h/e are mostly just pipes that can be knocked off easily and provide decent power numbers in the mean time while saving up for those B E A utifuly hytech headers)
I agree to some extent. But why not just keep it stock, save your money, and get that Hytech header a week sooner?
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

But why not just keep it stock, save your money, and get that Hytech header a week sooner? [/QUOTE]

Fair enough but i love the sound of a 2.5" engine back exhaust with a N1 style muffler

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You should get yourself a Sheep Dog exhaust then, since you're all about the JDM.
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i thought once you went synthetic you couldnt go back to conventional.....?
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Yeah you are right... IF you have always used synthetic in the engine going to conventional would not be the best thing... however he said he has had this car for 2 months and if the oil is turning black in two days im just guessing that the previous owners did not use synthetic let alone change the oil on a regular basis.
His best options is a flush and high milage conventional maybe a blend.
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right....so i guess with the flush then he can go back to conventional??

becaue im not 100% sure but i think that by using synthetic your engine gets coated with like a thin layer of diff lube that prevents the conventional oil to do its job
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

my maintance aquired light is still on, i pressed it with the key but it is still on, i did not do an oil change, but i pressed it o.0 should i do the oil change then try it?

also is K&N a good oil filter for preludes? the light is starting to worry me!
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I have no idea why the light is still red... unless we are talking about different lights. The light is the one located under your speedo right. If you are talking about the check engine light which lights up on the left of the bezel then it is a whole nother issue. If we are talking about the light under the speedo and it wont turn green after the key is used on the button then you might have an issue inside the gauge... I am not a hundred percent on this. The light should switch to green even if the car is off.
As for the K&N oil filter I cannot speak from any experiance but I can tell you that the best oil filter for your prelude would either be a Hamp filter which can be picked up from passwordjdm.com for only 6.99 or an official honda oil filter which can be picked up from your local dealer. I personally just use a Fram filter even though they are kinda crappy but hey we all have a budget.
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its the light between the speedomiter and rpm at the bottom o.0 its not even realy a light.......it looks red right now, but it looked yellow/green before (im also red green color blind soooooooooooooooo)
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

I got my 5th gen with 140k miles and switched it to mobile 1 full synthetic without any problems. Not sure if this helped but I did change the synthetic oil every other week with a new honda filter for the first 4 months. I did so many to get the sludge out as it was dissolving. I now have 180k miles and the only leak is still the rear main seal thats always been leaking.

I am not convinced that switching from dino to synth oil late in a cars life is as bad if you do rapid oil changes to get the dissolved sludge out. But YMMV as the saying goes...
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Re: oil issue and maintnance light issue

Well you just said it didnt you... you changed your oil every other week to make sure the sludge was coming out as it was dissolving... and my answer was to the guy who posted this question... I never said switching to synthetic couldnt be done just that it wasn't the best idea esspecially for his car which seems to have not recieved regular oil changes at all. Also I said this was from personal experience and i was trying to help out someone who had a similar problem
I am glad that your 5th gen was probably well maintained before you purchased it but we are not all so lucky... like i said my answer was to his specific question not a law for all 5th gen preludes
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im going to go to a synthetic mix insted of full synthetic i dont have the money to change my oil that much
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