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PJizle's 1997 Base Progression Thread [NEW UPDATE PG2]

Hi Everyone

The name's PJ. I've been on this board for over a year, mainly in the background reading and getting some information. Exactly one year ago this month, I bought my first car, a 1997 Base Nordic Mist Silver Prelude. I purchased her from a used car dealership (I know, :(). After several ups and downs it seems she's finally getting what she deserves so I thought I'd start a little progression thread.

This is what she looked like when I picked her up. 100% stock base. I should've realized something was wrong when the rims are running away from each other.



After one week, I couldn't take it no more. I had to purchase new wheels and with the little money I had I picked up some Drag Rims. Opening these "shoes" felt like Christmas but one year later I am somewhat bored of them so I will be upgrading shortly (knock on wood) to some 5Zigen FN01 or Volk Rims.


Now this was the new look.




Unfortunately, a month later I got into a little fender bender. With the help of my father we fixed the dent but I've been driving with primered fender for a little over 6 months now. To add to that, we attempted to repair the rust but it was a little to late (October) and we got caught in the rain. In the little time we had we realized that the wheel arches where nearly destroyed. The arch would literally crumble in our hands when grabbing them. We did our best with that and then tried to fix the keyhole on the trunk that also had quite a bit of rust.



Purchased a nice birthday gift for myself in November. Infinity sound system (minus Sub) with a beautiful little Pioneer dash.



Now May 09' the big change is coming. After almost 3 months of having the car, the H22A started knocking . That wasn't the only problem however. The paint was chipping from rocks, rust was getting pretty bad because of Canadian winters, the Window trim looked like ****, the Windows were squealing and one barely will go down anymore and the wheel arches where falling apart.

Luckily it lasted until now, but it is time for a rebuild. I sadly don't have the money to have the work done so I thought it would be a great learning experience to do this with my dad. In the end he did transform this:

Mustang (Donor similar to but Not THIS exact car)


Into this beautiful AC Cobra:



so I think/hope I can trust him :laugh:. So the plans for this month include Engine rebuild (OEM with minor upgrades such as AEM intake, Greddy SP2 Exhaust system for now). I'm also repainting the car (same color), finally getting my long awaited coil-over setup (Tokico Illuminas + Ground Controls), painting the base skirts same color as the car so they look clean and obviously I'm finally repairing all that rust.


Here's what my father and I have accomplished to date. Forgive the low quality iPhone pics.

Stripped the doors to get to the rust underneath and fix the window mechanics.


Pulled off the bumpers and skirts. Sand + Repaint.


A little progress on the engine. More to come in the next couple days.



If you managed to stay interested until now, I appreciate it :bigthumb:. I'm a big fan of the cars I see here and the love that's been put into them. I've often felt I should've just sold this car and buy a new one but I'm going to stick it out with this lude despite the wrong doing her previous owner did. I'm hoping to hear feedback and criticism always. Hopefully by the end of the summer it'll look something like this masterpiece.

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glad to hear she's in good hands now. can't want to see what comes of her. best of luck.
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Great work so far. I think youll really like the decision to stick with her. Cant wait to see the finished product
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Thanks for the comments everyone! Much appreciated.

So we woke up at 9 this morning. Was cold as hell in Montreal today, about 9 Degrees Celsius.

The picture of the engine bay in the first post is how it looked when we woke up. About an hour later my dad and I had all the bolts off (except for one :@)



It was getting stuck somewhere and we couldn't figure it out (were doing this without the helms manual). After tugging at it back and forth up and down, my dad went under the car and found that there was one tiny bolt he hadn't seen that was still holding the exhaust to the engine. Once that was off it was ready to come out.

Keeping it ghetto with the old swing-set ropes:p.


This is is what was left over. Dirt + Grease + The wonderful Rust of a Canadian car[Yummmmm].

Obviously gave it a nice pressure wash and it looked much better. I'm going to start pulling off parts, sanding them and painting them black to keep an overall clean look. Should start on the headers on Tuesday.

Finally, we put the engine up on a stand [This is also pre-pressure wash]. Took off the tranny, driveshaft, clutch..etc. Turns out I'll be needing a new clutch kit.


My uncle will be passing by tomorrow. He's a mechanic so he'll be able to diagnose exactly what's wrong with my H22A. The knocking needs to be explained and although Lude's are known for their gulping of oil this one is way to excessive to be normal. I'm refilling it from the lower hole on the stick to the upper hole every week and 1/2 :unsure:. Plus every time VTEC engages a cloud of blue smoke follows me and stinks up those in my rear view [may be a cool feature, actually].
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Re: PJizle's 1997 Base Progression Thread

reminds me of the movie " Death Race" where the racers could unleash clouds of smoke to blind teh other behind or some oil to let them slip around on a turn lol
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Ahah I'm far from frankestein but that would be a cool trick
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nice progress so far. so whats the plan of attack for the motor? any internal upgrades?
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My priority right now is getting is to work 100% the way it should. Im a full-time student, part time employee so I don't have much money to put into her. The plan for now is just getting it back and running with minor upgrades (AEM intake + Greddy SP2) the rest of my money is going into the paint and suspension..later on in the year I plan on buying more bolts on but I never got a Lude thinking it would be a race car.
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coming along very nice!
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keep it up! i want to see pics of this baby when its done!
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Bitter sweet experience on day 3.

Woke up at 9 again today, it was a work holiday so both my dad and uncle were off work. This is how the engine looked within 30 minutes.



Parts, Parts and more Parts...:)





Got my new wheel arches which are going to be placed on top of the old wheel arches and held on by glue.



An hour or two later...



Unfortunately there was damage and scarring inside one of the piston walls:(



After the fear of thinking I'd need a new block [roughly 2 gran] my uncle told us we could "cheat" and sand it away. Although this wouldn't be 100% it would be very close to. This was the result of an hour of careful sanding.



Turns out I'll need to machine the Flywheel and Head gasket.




In the end, my uncle was able to give us a diagnosis of what's wrong. Firstly, I was right about the previous owner, he was a complete idiot. Turns out he neglected to change the oil so there was a lot of gunk and build up. Secondly, the Piston itself overheated during driving and a lack of oil allowed it to scar the walls [I hope I'm repeating everything accurately but I'm not 100% sure].


So I continued to clean the parts in Varsol.



After the diagnosis, we were able to make a shopping list. I've got 75 parts ordered on hondaautomotiveparts.com [3/4 are engine parts, but I've also added other parts to the shopping cart]. The total came out to nearly 1300 USD...which is rougly 1500 CND. That's without border tax and duties. May be a cheap price to pay for a 95% new engine but I was hoping for less than a gran :cry:. In addition, I'll be passing by the local Honda dealership over here to get their estimate for all the parts before I actually order. Which ever can deliver at a cheaper fee and quicker will get my money LOL.

Next up for tomorrow, go visit Honda.
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best of luck to you man. good to see someone not just trash a car. keep posting pics of the progress
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Small update this morning. I woke up and rushed over to Honda. For all the parts I need [Roughly 75 parts including everything from clutch to tiny bolts]. They estimated it would cost nearly 2300CND which is ridiculous. Last night I created a shopping cart on hondaautomotiveparts.com and it came out to more than half of that. Just to give you guys a small idea, the window trim molding on the site is about 45 bucks a piece, Honda was charging 138 LMAO!!

Anyway I'm going to get back to sanding, I should have a small update later on tonight...[God I love it when school's over :D]
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Alright its almost 12 hours later and here's what I got done today...

I was home alone until late 6 o'clock. Sanded the rear end, the trunk, engine bay and front bumper support. Sadly, I do not have many before pics because of lack of lighting and ****ty iPhone quality pics. Most of it is going to be after shots. Back to the story, unfortunately when my dad got home he said I missed several spots :shrug:

So he showed me how it was done, I guess.



I quickly picked up the left overs with some Varsol, cleaned it up real nice.



We then ripped off the doors..I kinda like the look:laugh:




The doors seemed to be one of the biggest victims of Canadian rust. Here's a sad sight.


This door was pretty bad, even compared to the other. I grinded it and ripped a hole through the metal. Luckily, it seems fixable but the rust has done pretty bad damage. If anyone has had this problem before let me know what's the best way to fix it, currently where thinking of using regular filler.


Another productive day it seemed. The moral of the day...never walk around a car carelessly lmao :(

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Where are you from in Canada. I assume somewhere in Ontario for you to have rust like that.... Montreal area by chance?
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I bought the car from a used car dealership in T.O. so I'm assuming that before I picked it up it spent it's 11 years there and I brought her over to montreal last year. The rust was pretty bad last year when I checked it out but there's very little difference between T.O. and Montreal winters...they both suck but the difference is here it's 10000x worse because our government is backwards and loves to drop tons of salt on the streets :S
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Re: PJizle's 1997 Base Progression Thread

Haha i hear you man. Last summer i went to pick up a "mint" Mr2 from T.o only to find the entire car rusted out. Im from Regina Sask so I know how winters are however here they dont use salt. The have sand and some sort of fake salt that is supposed to prevent rusting cars. Seems to work great. Only reason I asked about Montreal was my brother owned a celica for 3 years here and never had an issue. One winter there and you could just see all the damage the salt had done
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Tell your brother he's a lucky SOB. My mom's lease that she's had for less than 4 years is disgusting if you take off the bumpers.
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what all are you replacing? lets see that shopping cart list.
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Cool thread. Good luck with your rebuild!
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Small Update today

Cleaned out the engine bay, scuffed + primered + filled + fixed the doors, cleaned up the red cover..going to paint it blue this time around, ripped off the fenders and did some rust work under there too. I'll grab some pictures tomorrow after work, didn't get time to tonight.


The shopping list wasn't saved to my computer so I had to recreate it for the most part. In the real list there are 75 parts this one has less than 1/4 of that because most of it is small bolts and pieces I couldn't bother trying to find again, here you go.



Keep in mind that's in USD and I am CND. I also bought enough Nordic Mist and clear coat to repaint the car so that was another 600 roughly, also purchased a spray gun..300 and I'm having the flywheel and head machined which came out to 400.

This car will be almost brand new when it's done but that obviously has it's price and although this may seem cheap to some of you guys, for a 18 year old student it's far from it :P... Thank God my dad and I can do most of the work ourselves.

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what u are doing is no way cheap to any of us lol...
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Well for some people it is. A paint job will relatively cost 3000-4000 here in Montreal (A quality one) so for that price I'm pretty much redoing the whole car.
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Hey bud, I'm in the same situation you're in. I'm 18 and a full-time student, part-time employee. Ironically I bought a 1997 Honda Prelude myself as a first car. The motor and interior are phenomenal but the wheel wells on the left and right side are rusted pretty bad. My drivers side is far worse then yours. I got a quote to rid me of my rust as well as any dings or dents in my lude and it's going to set me back 2000.00 (with paint). So I need to wait all summer. Anyone have any advice on how to fix my wheel well, it is rusted right through with no replacement panel. Even temporary??

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wow you don't hang around do you it's great work you're doing, i can't wait to see how it all turns out!
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New Update:

Today we ripped off the fenders and did some body work as well as rust repair.


I also received my new fender and put it on. I must say the small fender bender gave it a completely different look. When I put the new fender on, I once again remembered that the lude's lines are some of the sexiest on a car of this price. I'll have pics of the fender soon.


Cont'd the work on the door, it was honestly in terrible condition and as you can see here my dad's trying to bring it back from the dead so I don't have to drop another gran on doors...


At the same time where sanding it to get rid of the dents from idiots who don't know how to open doors in school and mall parking lots :chase: and getting them ready for paint.


Meanwhile, I drifted off and continued to clean up some parts.
Stock it was black. When I got it I made it red but I was kind of embarassed with that color because nothing on my car was red and well it felt like it just didn't go and was attempting to be a race car when it really wasnt...dare I say rice? So now it's going to be blue seeing how Nordic Mist has a hint of blue and I'm going to top it off with blue spark plug wires and aem intake.



I also cleaned up the hood, got rid of the rust and got it ready for paint.



I also got a small present to open. Brand new clutch kit and the flywheel was also machined :D. I was pretty lucky because I never felt the clutch slip and yet when we opened it up saw it was in bad condition so it was perfect timing.



Again I apologize for the cellphone pics..it's just not practical getting my dad's SLR to take pictures with my hands dirty :P.
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Hey bud, I'm in the same situation you're in. I'm 18 and a full-time student, part-time employee. Ironically I bought a 1997 Honda Prelude myself as a first car. The motor and interior are phenomenal but the wheel wells on the left and right side are rusted pretty bad. My drivers side is far worse then yours. I got a quote to rid me of my rust as well as any dings or dents in my lude and it's going to set me back 2000.00 (with paint). So I need to wait all summer. Anyone have any advice on how to fix my wheel well, it is rusted right through with no replacement panel. Even temporary??

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Do some research in your area. Go visit some body shops and ask if they could pretty much make a mold or recreate your wheel arch out of a piece of metal. Then depending on how bad your situation is, you can make your next decision. Now the body shop I went to and supplied me the arches which you can see in one of the pictures actually told me that with this glue I bought it would be strong enough to hold it and resist the rust. Personally it just doesn't make sense to me to put a new sheet of metal over rust because the same problem will occur. What I am doing is I'm going to saw off a majority of the infected area and then glue the arches onto the car and then sand them down.

Do some research...I'll let you guys know the name of the glue, unfortunately I can't remember it right now but apparently it creates a stronger bond than welding.
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Re: PJizle's 1997 Base Progression Thread

New Update:

Hi Guys back for another small update.

While I was at work today, my brother and father where hard at work on my car so I'm very lucky they're so helpful and as eager as I am to put it back in the street.

Firstly, the new fender was both sanded and fitted onto the car...looks nice.



Secondly, both the doors and trunk where fixed. Rust has been removed and they have been repainted.

Trunk



And here's the huge difference. This is how the doors looked before:


And After:


That took about 2 nights worth (4 hours) of sanding + filling + burning + sanding + filling to get to that point.

The rear has also been repainted. Rust has been removed.


Finally I got another small present today. This came back looking new after being machined.


*You can scroll up if your interested to see how it used to look.

That's it for today, in the near future we will be putting the doors back on and getting the entire car ready for paint. If we stay on schedule which we seem to be doing fairly well to date, the engine will be rebuilt on the weekend. I can't wait to get her back...getting bored of driving my grandfathers caravan :laugh:
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Re: PJizle's 1997 Base Progression Thread

lookin real good
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