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Old 02-07-2009, 11:50 PM
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Icon14 HELP !! Lock Motor Change

I managed to change out the passenger door lock motor in my 2000 Lude today, however I can't seem to locate the attach point of the 2 long rod.

Does anybody have an exploded diagram of the assembly they can post or send me? I can have the who thing back together in 30 minutes if I can find out where this 3rd rod attaches.

The 2 that are attached are the long one that goes to the door pull that opens the door from inside the car and the short rod that terminates at the mid pivot point on the face od the door. The third rod slips into the mid pivot point.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, especially the diagram or a link to one.

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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

Fezz-tec,

Is there a diagram that shows where the rods connect inside the door? I'm getting ready to install the very small screw that holds the lock motor to its mount bracket through an access hole I drilled.

Right now, the only rod I did not disconnect when I took everything apart is the inside manual lock rod. (Its the black button rod that manually locks and unlocks the lock from inside the car.)

If you could show me where they connect inside the door, I think I can figure this out.

The new lock motor works strong, just won't lock or unlock the door. I have to use the key.

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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

Fez-tec,

Owe ya a beer.. Really. One more question. Does the pin on the lock motor arm go in the v-notch on the lock tab or does it go ito the round hole next to the v-groove? In other words, now that the linkage is right, the motor arm pin doesn't want to stay in the v-groove. The picture work has been priceless. I owe you big time. Your thoughts?

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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

I'm sorry I cant help so this is pretty much a free bump for you.
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And FezzTec thank you for helping him out. Its good to see someone new on the site helping someone else, especially with crucial pictures like those.
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Thanks...Appreciate it.

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If you can answer my last question I'd appreciate the advice. Already have the lock motor back out...
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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

I ran into this problem twice....Did you get it finished up yet or is still giving you the beatdown? My passenger door lock/latch assembly kicked my ass both times i worked on it.
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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

Mdtdnb,

I'm still on the beat down..... Can't quite get the linkage right. The exploded views I got from Fezz_Tec don't get detailed enough as to where the lock motor actuator tab hooks into the latch at and then there's the short rod that comes off the bottom of the mid door pivot that looks like it goes to the latch mechanism too. Confusing. There's an upside down V shaped thing next to a big round tab. Seems I'm missing something. It's almost as if my 2000 lude had the short rod run to another lever instead of next to the upside down v shaped thing that I think the tab on the lock motor goes into.

Anybody done this that can offer help, an answer or advice, I'd really appreciate it.

The lock motor is in and it's working real good. You can hear the difference between the pass and driver door motors.
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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

if you can snap some pictures, I will gladly guide you through it. I am confused if you having trouble with the the lock for the exterior door handle or the lock for the interior door handle.

I am assuming it is for the exterior door part and you are having trouble seeing inside that small area. This may sound bad, but to get a good view of what is going on....It is actually MUCH easier to pull the window, remove the black edging that aligns the window, and then completely remove the door latch mechanism. I know that sounds bad, but you will get to see what all is going on. I had to do it a couple times to get it right. When I get home, I'll search to see if I actually got some pics to help out...not sure if i do or not.
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sorry V1, i was at work the whole day. anyways its goes into the round hole next to the v-groove.
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Is there a problem in passenger lock motor?...I will look for a diagram...
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Mdtdnb,

No problem. I have the new actuator installed. I just need to know, (Fezz_Tec just posted), where the tab on the actuator mounts to on the latch.

Now the only other question I have at this point is where does the short rod that pivots off of the bottom of the door mid point pivot/guide?

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sorry V1, i was at work the whole day. anyways its goes into the round hole next to the v-groove.
I PM'd ya with one last question. I'm ready for reassembly if I find out where the short rod end, (referred to as the "Rear Lock Rod" in the picture work), connects to.

It clearly shows it going into the slot of the latch protector as if it connects to something near the actuator connector.

Again Fezz...., Thanks for your help.

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this picture should help you out,
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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

Jagass...The new motor is in and working fine. Need help making one final connection of the short "Rear Lock Rod." Once I make this linkage connection, I can begin reassembling the door.

Incidently, for those of you who would rather not disassemble the entire door it can be done. A few strategically placed "access holes" allow you to get to all the screws/connections you need to gain access to without taking everything apart.

I'll try to take some pics of the 3 "Non-stock" 5/16" holes I added.

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whats that question?, sorry im confused
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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

That's the diagram I was referring to. If the tab on the actuator goes in the hole in the brass colored tab in the latch, (The tab located next to the upside down v, then where does the rear lock rod hook to? I'll have to take a better look tomorrow in the daylight again to see if there is another rod tab outside of or on the side of the actuator housing. I'll let you know what I find. Working with an inspection mirror is tough.
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take a pic, and let me know, hope you get it fixed.
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I'll do my best with the digital and post what I can. Like I said, once I figure where the short rear rod links to, I'm done...
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Well no photos.....Cold here today in the Northeast, lens fogging, tried to use a mirror for better more detailed shots, did I say the lens kept fogging up? Then there was the moisture content in the air that shut the camera down.

Lessons learned: If you're gonna attempt this job, you better take a big dose of patience. (I am an accomplished / certified mechanic of 30+ years.)

The hardest part was figuring out how to get the white plastic bushing in the hole that the rear lock rod engages. It resides right next to the upside down v shaped lock latch lever that the lock motor actuator arm tab engages. This is what allows the electric lock feature to work. They work together to keep the two arms, the upside down v tab the lock motor engages and the rear lock rod tab. I can't explain anymore than what I've been looking at in a small inspection mirror for the last 2 days...

I finally took my electric dremel to the outside edge of the latch protector cover and removed it in order to gain access to both tabs for the motor and the rod. Much easier to work on something you can see and get to as this shields these 2 critical features. I took off about an inch. Made all the difference in the world.

I guess this is why the FSM that I don't have, probably tells you to pull the glass, window regulator, etc. so that you can completely dis-assemble the entire latch / lock mechanism and take it to the bench where it's probably a piece of cake to work on.

This job is not for the faint of heart.

It's together, everything works and I'm thrilled. Learned alot. Like I said, no pics. but if you've never seen the inner workings of the lock/latch assy. don't know that they would have made alot of sense to anybody looking at them.

Can't than Fezz_Tec and some of you other guys who helped me out. The picture work made the job easier than it could have been, but even the diagrams aren't entirely clear. If I hadn't made the decision to attach the rear lock rod inside the tab of the latch next to the lock motor engagement point, I'd still be working on it.

Anybody else needs help with this fix, I'm here for ya. Been there, done that. If nothing else, I can help advise you through the job.

Seriously, if I had to do this again, I'd simply disassemble the door, completely. I like to save time where possible like everybody else, but this door lock/latch design is a communist plot against the American people..LOL

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Re: HELP !! Lock Motor Change

haha cool man I'm glad you got it worked out. I know EXACTLY what part you are talking about now. I remember that area giving me a hard time as well. The first time I did it, I did not pull the window and it made me want to kill myself lol. The second time when I did pull the glass, that whole mechanism went in SO much easier. Actually, the glass wasnt to bad either, just aligning it is a 2 person job. Here is the link with a couple of almost helpful pictures from when my doors beat me down.

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Dude,
Thanks for the photos. I know one thing for sure.....If I ever have to do this job again, the glass is coming out. It's worth the extra time. But it can be done without removing the glass. Just had to prove a point I guess..
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