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99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

hi i'm new to the forum and new to the ludes.
i have a 99 non-sh prelude.
and my tires are wearing really uneven on all sides.
it's lowered. i dont really know what set but i see ground control and it's red struts. but i was wondering if i should just get camber kits. or get the whole suspension redone. either way will i still need camber kits? i am getting new tires within the week, so i'm wondering what to do. pls reply.

ps. i looked in the parts sticky and there was no solution for camber kits under suspension, or anywhere.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

there is stuff about camber kits but o well...

get the camber kit and then get an alignment. that should be all you need to do.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

camber kit
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make sure you are using the correct tire size


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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

well any suggestions as to what camber kit? and if its not the alignment i may have an even bigger prob on my hand. i looked under the car just now and in the front there is a mean ass dent near the front pass side bushing where the control arm connects to whatever it is. the bushing seems to be alright as the damage is on the bottom of the metal guard. i can provide pics if i'm not explaining correctly. but still could this be the cause of my tire problems? and if so, where can i go to get it checked. i live in the socal area

oh and i'm using 205/50/16

i want to get rims, but i'm trying to fix the tire problem first
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

I'd have the alignment checked before looking for a camber kit. You mightn't need one in the end, and it will be wasted money. Also, check tyre pressures. Even a small variance will throw the wear rate out the window.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

Lowering will definitely cause that problem, especially if you don't run a camber kit... It's just simple geometry. I would definitely say get an alignment first like Colin said, if that doesn't fix it, then get a camber kit (Ingall's is good), get another alignment, and all should be good. Definitely do that stuff before you worry about rims.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

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there is stuff about camber kits but o well...

get the camber kit and then get an alignment. that should be all you need to do.
nope. alignment first

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I'd have the alignment checked before looking for a camber kit. You mightn't need one in the end, and it will be wasted money. Also, check tyre pressures. Even a small variance will throw the wear rate out the window.
and that is why you do alignment first.

i don't mean to be a dick folks. but i'm gonna start deleting threads with missinformation. its a known fact. ALWAYS get an alignment after you lower your car. i've said this countless times. an alignment will fix the MAJORITY of your tire wear problems. the other problems are tire pressure or if something has gone bad like ball joints or bushings or bent suspension components.
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well any suggestions as to what camber kit? and if its not the alignment i may have an even bigger prob on my hand. i looked under the car just now and in the front there is a mean ass dent near the front pass side bushing where the control arm connects to whatever it is. the bushing seems to be alright as the damage is on the bottom of the metal guard. i can provide pics if i'm not explaining correctly. but still could this be the cause of my tire problems? and if so, where can i go to get it checked. i live in the socal area

oh and i'm using 205/50/16

i want to get rims, but i'm trying to fix the tire problem first
I know what your talking about, but dented or not you still need an alignment check.

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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

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I'd have the alignment checked before looking for a camber kit. You mightn't need one in the end, and it will be wasted money. Also, check tyre pressures. Even a small variance will throw the wear rate out the window.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

I'm running the exact same suspension you are bub - Eibach Ground Control (red and gold) and I'm lowered roughly 2.5"

I went and got my alignment done and here is exactly what they said:

"You have horrible camber issues and we can't fix it because your car is lower - You have to get adjustable ball joints otherwise there is no way to adjust the camber issues, which means that your tires will keep wearing faster and your car will not drive like it should."

I still haven't gotten the adjustable ball joints cause I don't have the money for them, but they are right - my brand new tires i have on now are all seasons and they lasted just over 9,000 miles - they are now worn pretty good and I have ZERO traction in the snow/rain/puddles/sand/etc....

I did some research and found a place up by me called "Centerline" that permanently fixes said camber issues by moving the ball joint to the appropriate place to get rid of the camber issue AND do a full alignment all for just over $200

Needless to say, I will be doing that VERY soon - otherwise if I was you there is 2 options:

1. Get adjustable ball joints (no ingalls or eBay crap, you will regret it HORRIBLY- go with SPC!! I did research on them and they are probably the best you can get)

2. Raise up the car
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I'm running the exact same suspension you are bub - Eibach Ground Control (red and gold) and I'm lowered roughly 2.5"

I went and got my alignment done and here is exactly what they said:

"You have horrible camber issues and we can't fix it because your car is lower - You have to get adjustable ball joints otherwise there is no way to adjust the camber issues, which means that your tires will keep wearing faster and your car will not drive like it should."

I still haven't gotten the adjustable ball joints cause I don't have the money for them, but they are right - my brand new tires i have on now are all seasons and they lasted just over 9,000 miles - they are now worn pretty good and I have ZERO traction in the snow/rain/puddles/sand/etc....

I did some research and found a place up by me called "Centerline" that permanently fixes said camber issues by moving the ball joint to the appropriate place to get rid of the camber issue AND do a full alignment all for just over $200

Needless to say, I will be doing that VERY soon - otherwise if I was you there is 2 options:

1. Get adjustable ball joints (no ingalls or eBay crap, you will regret it HORRIBLY- go with SPC!! I did research on them and they are probably the best you can get)

2. Raise up the car
Yep thats what they (2 different alignment shops) said to me too, even though my car isnt lowered. Which is why I say get the camber kit, and then an alignment. Because if you pay for an alignment and they tell you "get a camber kit", you will then have to pay for another alignment once you get the kit. You might as well just do it all at once.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

alignment checks are free, alignments cost money. at least where i am. but i must double check again because TINSTAAFL

i got my alignment done at wheel works and they offer a 6month or X miles warrantee thing so i can just go back within that period and say my steering is off or something and have them redo it after i mess with my suspension height
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

some places will do it for free. firestone will check your alignment, tread, tire pressure, and some other stuff for free
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

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1. Get adjustable ball joints (no ingalls or eBay crap, you will regret it HORRIBLY- go with SPC!! I did research on them and they are probably the best you can get)
If you decide to get the ball joints SPC are a good choice... I got them from ebay, just check the seller out. If you are too low it may bump though, 2.5-3"? I am only down 1.7" and I love them. I have used them for about 6,000 miles and they have held their alignment like champs. Make sure you get a real balljoint, not an "anchor bolt" (Ingalls makes a good one I've seen on ebay...cheaper, but I'd already bought the spcs; I have also seem a anchor bolt style that was called ingalls... sketchy?).

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if you are down 2"+ I would get a kit... 1.5" is borderline, I am 1.7"F and 1.5"R... had 227,000 miles on the lude and wanted to get fresh balljoints anyway, so I don't know if mine would have corrected or not. GOOD LUCK!!!

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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

Not to thread jack or anything, but how easy/hard is it to install the SPC's?
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

The best SPC's I found were the entire arm assembly that had the adjustable ball joint built into it - I forget how much it is but basically all you do there is take the old arm out, put the new one in, then play with the balls until your happy! and for you, that should only take about...what, 3 minutes? lol
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

^ lol.

if you just get the BJs you just press the old ones out and stick the new ones in. also pretty easy. except for those damn retaining clips. id probably buy the entire arm just so i wouldnt have to deal with those clips.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

Hrm. I definitely need to get the SPC's then, my tires wear so unevenly it's ridiculous.
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Re: 99 Suspension, tires cutting bad?

hello everyone again.
i'm glad my topic created quite a storm.
i just wanted to give an update to the problem.
and as many of you said, it was just my alignment.
i took the lude to frame and wheel specialists in glendora, ca.
and it appeared that my toe in was messed up on pass rear.
and toe out was messed up on driver rear.
so the tires were like fighting eachother.
everything's fine now.
tires are wearing even -so far
and nothing was wrong with my suspension, thank god right?
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I'd have the alignment checked before looking for a camber kit. You mightn't need one in the end, and it will be wasted money. Also, check tyre pressures. Even a small variance will throw the wear rate out the window.
So true, you said something about having wear on both sides, to me that sounds like over inflated tires.

Usually alignment is wearing on one side or the other not both and your on stock size tires, so a camber kit for what?

Post the pic of the damage for better reference, also make sure you get enough in the pic so that we know what we are looking at, just the dent won't capture all the damage, we need to see control arm, ball joints the whole nine.
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