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Old 11-11-2008, 12:49 AM
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Couple problems with the lude

i have some problems with the preude. This is how i bough it. 1998 close to 160k
I have done 3 oil changed in about 3 months, about to do 4th, new timing belt and everything that comes with it

#1 when engine is cold, the idle jumps from .5 to 1.5 or even 2 if it freezing's outside
#2 When i break slowly over a long distance the car vibrates and the wheal (shakes) moves from left to right
#3 Also there is a oil leak on the left side of the engine (pic up in a minute)


Since u guys are the lude masters... what you think :D
O also a few weeks ago i drove it up a rock but all these problems were there since i bough it, nothing changed.

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Re: Couple problems with the lude

#1 Check your FITV, clear it out, there's probably some crud in there. That's what usually causes it. Seach around a little, I think there's a few threads about this.

#2 & #3 I don't have enough experience to answer those.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

Well on #2 I am gonna say rotors sound like they are warpping.

#3. I say clean the oil all off and then drive for a little bit and then check it as it will be easier to see where it is coming from when it is clean.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

Well there was another oil leak that was fixed when they changed the timing belt
K il have to get my friend to help me with the FIVT because im not that experianced myself

also what does it mean if rotors are warpping, what do i need to do?



Preaty sure it is this... it looks like it might not be all the way sealed or something...
Il have to clean it later... out of cleaner :(

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Re: Couple problems with the lude

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also what does it mean if rotors are warpping, what do i need to do?

Here is a link for you.


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Ok thanks man :) so it sounds like cutting the disks should fix it?
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

For the FITV (Fast Idle Thermo Valve), just follow the black air intake box up to the throttle body, and I believe the FITV is right underneath that. It's connected to the Throttle Body on the under side. It connects to the tb, and then comes out to the right of where it entered and goes off elsewhere. Just get those two hoses off and clean em out as best you can.
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That it by any chance? I was told i to buy a new one (and it is expentive from dealer)
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

#2 sounds like a busted wheel baring.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

For problem two it sounds like lateral run out on the rotors since it only happens when your applying the brakes. Honestly I would just buy new one's rather than have someone cut the old one's, they're cheap enough. A lot of cars have erratic idles when you first start them up and it's cold out. If your idle settles once it's warmed up than it's probably nothing... unless it is problem in which case I'm in the same boat as you lol.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

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That it by any chance? I was told i to buy a new one (and it is expentive from dealer)
no, thats the IACV.

this is exactly where the FITV is:
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For the FITV (Fast Idle Thermo Valve), just follow the black air intake box up to the throttle body, and I believe the FITV is right underneath that. It's connected to the Throttle Body on the under side. It connects to the tb, and then comes out to the right of where it entered and goes off elsewhere. Just get those two hoses off and clean em out as best you can.

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#2 sounds like a busted wheel baring.
no it doesn't. bad wheel bearings will have a slight wobbling feel and sound under normal cruising, which will become much more exaggerated while turning.
it most def sounds like warped rotors.
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^ditto

you think the rear main seal could be leaking? my h23 had a drip on the driver side...
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I had the same problem as #2 and replacing a bad tire fixed it for me. It was really torn up do to negative camber, so new springs and a tire fixed it for me.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

Neck covered 1 and 2, and I cant tell you where the leak is coming from without seeing it for myself.

And just for the record, #2 I'm 99% positive that new rotors will fix your problem. I noticed how you said "long" braking. It happened on my prelude, and my girlfriends civic. Lucky for you, rotors are an easy change
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ya if it is a sudden break it does nothing
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

hey i had the same exact problem on my car and i replaced my rotors...don't get the problem anymore.

as for the #1, the mechanic replaced a seal...the seal is located by where all the spark plugs meet (the black part) sorry im not too mechanically inclined lol
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

#1: many cars...especially Hondas show and increase in idle speed when it is cold outside. they are designed to do that. It goes back down once the motor warms up right? It doesn't sound like a problem to me. My friend had an 88 accord that would hold steady at 4K rpm until the engine was warmed up. Car ran fine though. All three of my preludes and my accord do/did it too.

#2: replace the rotors. Inspect your pistons on the brake calipers to make sure they are both functioning properly. As stated above, resurfacing the rotors is not likely to help much.

#3. If you are having problems finding the leak, many dealerships offer an engine steam cleaning for around $50 bucks or so. That is what they use to when they detail cars to put on the lot or when they do the clean after you purchase one. This may help you locate the leak. Then go from there.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

Hey guys for #1 if i do a fuel system cleaning on one of those vacuum hoses do you think that might hep anything. Or would it not be smart to hook it up to those hoses? either way would it help any? I know the fastest and safest way is through the brake booster. any way please respond this idle problem is killing me on gas :(
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Hey guys for #1 if i do a fuel system cleaning on one of those vacuum hoses do you think that might hep anything. Or would it not be smart to hook it up to those hoses? either way would it help any? I know the fastest and safest way is through the brake booster. any way please respond this idle problem is killing me on gas :(
how high is the idle again and how long does it stay high for?
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

Well me and a friend cleaned some hoses out and now its mostly stable at 1500 RPM when the engine is cold
When the engine warms up to the middle of the temperature gauge the idle settles down to 400-500 without any problems
SO... i cleaned it out (hope it was the right parts, it was some coolant thing) and its not all the way fixed
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Well me and a friend cleaned some hoses out and now its mostly stable at 1500 RPM when the engine is cold
When the engine warms up to the middle of the temperature gauge the idle settles down to 400-500 without any problems
SO... i cleaned it out (hope it was the right parts, it was some coolant thing) and its not all the way fixed
it sounds like it is working properly now. Hondas are designed to run higher rpm's in cold weather until they warm up.
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Well me and a friend cleaned some hoses out and now its mostly stable at 1500 RPM when the engine is cold
When the engine warms up to the middle of the temperature gauge the idle settles down to 400-500 without any problems
SO... i cleaned it out (hope it was the right parts, it was some coolant thing) and its not all the way fixed
Yeah, you're good to go. The coolant line you cleaned out was the FITV apparatus.
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

okay... so i guess everyone put their two cents in.
for you idle which im assuming you fixed... and yes hondas do stay up from 1500 to 2000 when really cold.... for you iac or fitv.... to be broken or not working correctly they would cause a idle surge when warmed up. the shake from braking obviously is the rotors are warped and have developed high spots. just replace those....
and for the last thing .. .it loooks as if your cam seal has went... you probably have over 100k on the motor right?? well i would replace that seal...(golden eagle makes one... shiny lol for like 30-) and the valve cover gasket while your in there. on an H motor those or the first things that start to leak i would also change your pcv valve so that it relieve the crank case pressure and wont push oil out anymore seals.
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Didn't know the RPM was suppose to be so high
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isnt 4-500 a pretty low idle though? and im having the same leak, same spot.. but my gasket was changed about 15k ago :\

what/where's the pcv valve predator spoke of?
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

Well its not 400 lol its 600 w.e :P

Teal is what u need to remove
Red what u you need to clean (there are more hoses to clean but they are underneath)
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i have some problems with the preude. This is how i bough it. 1998 close to 160k
I have done 3 oil changed in about 3 months, about to do 4th, new timing belt and everything that comes with it

#1 when engine is cold, the idle jumps from .5 to 1.5 or even 2 if it freezing's outside
#2 When i break slowly over a long distance the car vibrates and the wheal (shakes) moves from left to right
#3 Also there is a oil leak on the left side of the engine (pic up in a minute)


Since u guys are the lude masters... what you think :D
O also a few weeks ago i drove it up a rock but all these problems were there since i bough it, nothing changed.

1. there are lots of threads on this one I'm sure everyone is going to tell you but the usually tune up, get some good ol fuel injector cleaner, new fuel filter, new PCV, maybe new EGR. There is a really good write up somewhere on here about cleaning the intake manifold.

2. Your rotors are shot, get new rotors all the way around and also replace your brake pads in the process, you never change your rotors without changes your brake pads.

3. Left side? (So you mean driver's side?) I was trying to see from your pic but am unsure where you are at on the engine. Is that on the head? or the block?
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Re: Couple problems with the lude

those sensors are on the passenger side of the engine i believe.. the pic is confusing somewhat but im pretty sure.. and the valve cover gasket seems to right through/around them.....
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