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New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

So I sold both my eclipses and bought a good ol Honda.

I got this Prelude for dirt cheap.
$3000.

Has over 20k invested into, the guy said he just grew up from it.

Well it has 33k miles, H22 VTEC, Turbo kit, greddy BOV,greddy piping.
Lowered, nice suspension, clean interior, black rims, body kit.

Its pretty nice.

Theres only a few issues with it.

First of all it runs like ****.
Like it thumps when I drive and stuff.
It needs a tuine up bad because its been sitting for like a year he said.

There is a very loud knock coming from the motor and I have no clue what it could be..

Also, Sometimes when I press the clutch in the motor bogs down like it will die and sometime will.

I know the BOV is not recirculated either, but my main concern is the knock, it dieng, it smokes from the tailpipe,and from the engine. Its a 5 speed but first was an automatic.

Any thoughts?

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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

Lol sorry its dark now.
More photos tommorow.

But what about the loud knock.
Sounds like its comming from the bottom mabye.
not sure a tune up would help that.
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Stock tails and smaller rims would help the eye factor (Unless you REALLY like them). Heh, just my thoughts.


Sounds like you got the car cheap for a reason. Sounds like you're describing a rod knock and a tune certainly wouldn't fix that. Did the last owner ever tune it at all?
With any internal problems, you'll need to tear the engine down. On the bright side, this will give you a great opportunity to sleeve the block and make the engine bullet proof so you can crank the boost up.
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

yah the boost was at about 15psi.
not sure what he did he heard the knock then let it sit for a month or so.
and it might be a rod because its really really loud.
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HOLY ****!

15 psi? Stock internals?
I wouldn't DARE put it over 8 on the healthiest stock H22 tuned to heaven's standards.
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Lol Ill put it down one i find the controller lol
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I think it's beyond that.
I recommend not driving it till it's fixed because if the rod goes through the block, you'll have even more problems and have to sink even more money into it.

It's highly improbable that there is $20K invested, sorry man. Does the odometer really say 33K?
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

well im not to mechanically good.
what fixes a knocking rod?
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

a knock (usually from the bottom end) is at best, a spun bearing.
does the knocking increase with engine speed??

sounds like you got it cheap for a reason. but if you have the money and are willing to do an engine rebuild, your car will easily be capable of 450+hp, since you have the turbo kit and all. you already got the car for a steal (the cost of a turbo kit for our cars is the same that you payed for the car) so if you build the engine, you have a crazy beast on your hands, for madddd cheap.

E of all people should know that 15psi doesn't mean anything, unless you specify which turbo it has. since you're a former eclipse (read: DSM) owner, you should also know this as well. was it 15psi on a gt35, or on a t25??
was the car professionally dyno or street tuned??
if it was not (which is what i'm assuming, since the previous owner decided to run 15psi on a stock block, so he/she isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with) a good tuning session SHOULD solve all the driving issues, IF the knocking sound is an easy fix (which i'm not thinking so)


and it is VERY rare to see recirc BOV's on turbo'd hondas. i know its pretty common on DSM's, but not our cars.
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

Well the whole car was built at an preformance shop in St.Louis by where I live.
Then this guy bought it and just never drove it.

So all I really have to do is a rebuild?
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a knock (usually from the bottom end) is at best, a spun bearing.
does the knocking increase with engine speed??

sounds like you got it cheap for a reason. but if you have the money and are willing to do an engine rebuild, your car will easily be capable of 450+hp, since you have the turbo kit and all. you already got the car for a steal (the cost of a turbo kit for our cars is the same that you payed for the car) so if you build the engine, you have a crazy beast on your hands, for madddd cheap.

E of all people should know that 15psi doesn't mean anything, unless you specify which turbo it has. since you're a former eclipse (read: DSM) owner, you should also know this as well. was it 15psi on a gt35, or on a t25??
was the car professionally dyno or street tuned??
if it was not (which is what i'm assuming, since the previous owner decided to run 15psi on a stock block, so he/she isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with) a good tuning session SHOULD solve all the driving issues, IF the knocking sound is an easy fix (which i'm not thinking so)


and it is VERY rare to see recirc BOV's on turbo'd hondas. i know its pretty common on DSM's, but not our cars.
Well said.
Still, 15 psi on a stock H-series is just insane (in a bad way).
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

well you still haven't divulged whether the engine is built or not. you say the CAR was built, but that doesn't necessarily mean the engine. if its a newly built engine and knocking already..... that sucks. but if its stock, than thats expected.

and being a former DSM owner, i'm thinking you should know a thing or two about turbo's, so if your able to find out what size turbo is on it, we'll be able to help you decide whether the previous owner was mentally insane, or MAYBE had somewhat of a clue what he was doing.
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i have no clue if it was built or not.
the guy didnt know either.
a highly reputable performance shop did everything to the car.
ill find out the turbo tommorow.
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

Alright no offence but im 16 and seems like I know more then you.I live in eureka missouri close to st.louis and my family owns broadway glass down in the city.Ill take off the head and crap for you and find the problems out myself if you really want to.


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Lol I'm 16 also.
I can take off the head myself and inspect which I plan to do tommrow when its light outside.
I got the car at night time and I have an eclipse in the garage atm so i couldnt put it in there to do anything to it.

I plan on checking it out tommorow I was just simply seeing what some thoughts/if anyone else had this problem.
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First thought would be

1.Take of valve cover and look head over for anything
2.Try pulling the spark plugs out and stuff
3.Pull head find your problem.

Id say if your smoking from the motor,exhaust,and have a knock then get ready to buy a new block if not motor.But yeah if you want some help just pm me.What city you in general.
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Well it only smoked when I first started it when I got it, and I thought it was just because of mabye its been sitting for so long.

im in Belleville IL
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Alright no offence but im 16 and seems like I know more then you.I live in eureka missouri close to st.louis and my family owns broadway glass down in the city.Ill take off the head and crap for you and find the problems out myself if you really want to.


Or I will lend you a hand.=D


age has nothing to do with knowledge.
but that is nice of you to lend a helping hand.


since your working on it tomrrow, drain the oil/take the oil pan off and see if you find metal shavings in the oil. that'll be a tell-tale sign.
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maybe from exhaust possibly but the engine no.Best bet would not to start it or drive it at all until you fix the knock.

yes oil pan is a good thing to do.Also be smart and drain all oil,coolant,everything, and release the gas pressure before pulling it all apart.
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My eclipse spun a bearing a while ago and I could see metal shavings through the dip stick.
Theres none on this one.
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My eclipse spun a bearing a while ago and I could see metal shavings through the dip stick.
Theres none on this one.
It may be chunks of metal rather than shavings..like from a cracked piston(happened to my jeep, made a knock as if a bearing went or a rod broke). Just go ahead and drop your oil pan and see whats in there. While your at it, reach in there and jiggle the rods to see if a bearing is worn.
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did you not ask the guy what he had his money in? what all was in the motor? bc you havent really stated if there really is stock or aftermarket parts in the internals yet. i would go to the previous owner or the shop that built it ask some questions, what was in it, was there any problems, and so forth. . .
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I find it hard to believe it has 33k on it. May be it got rolled back. Im in the process of putting a new motor in my car due to rod knock. (spun bearing) At any rate, welcome.
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oh wait you said it was an automatic, right? well does it have a 5spd gauge cluster in it now? if so then it was prolly off of a wrecked lude and isnt the actual mileage on your car.
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Man that would suck.
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This is sounding more and more problematic by the post. :/
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how much mileage does the title say on it from when you transfered it. or havent you gotten the title from the state yet?
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The title says 30k.
Nows has 33k.

It still has an automatic gause cluster it was never switched.
so it still has orignal miles.

now i found shavings in the oil from the dipstick today so im going to take off the oil pan and see if theres alot or what.
any suggestions while im up there looking?
i know someone said wiggle a rod, but how do i tell if a bearing is shot or what.
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it could be "33K" on a freshly rebuilt engine?
justa guess.


if a bearing is shot, there will be excessive, and a noticeable amount of play at the crank end of the rods.
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Re: New Here with some questions with knock/dieng

short post here...

$3k for a 5th gen boosted is beyond cheap.

The reason for the price is the guy obviously knew the motor was blown. The problem with rod knock on a boosted motor is usually much more than replacement of bearings.

I would guess your going to need a new motor if it was boosted 15psi on the stock block. I highly do reccomend NOT to ever use an overbored crank on any H series motor. So, if the damage requires anything more than replacing bearings you should replace the crank and block if its on a main bearing.


Tuned and how? Wish we had that info as well.
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