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New Prelude, New Problems

Not sure where to start but whatever... Alrighty I got my first lude about 10 months ago and loved it to death but mother nature didn't. A hail storm pretty much totally dominated it and it got totaled. But about 2 weeks ago a found and bought a Prelude of my dreams (at that time) and figured all was well. Now I knew that this car had a bit of a checkered past but I figured it was good to go. The last owner replaced the engine with what he said was a jdm h22 with about 35,000 miles after a failed timing belt killed the original. Its also equipped with aftermarket header, short ram intake, pulley kit, and a new clutch. So that's the car basically and here are some problems that i'm now dealing with:

1. Loud power steering noise (particularly when warm)
I've heard this in other cars and a flush seemed to fix?

2.I pulled a 0420 code for a cel that keeps coming back on after i reset it
This is the cat if i'm not mistaken and i'm thinking its bad or the aftermarket exhaust is causing problems

3.Rattle at like 1800-2800 RPM
Maybe the bad cat?

4. THE NEWEST and BIGGEST PROBLEM
Yesterday i attempted to enter vtec land and was denied like an ugly boy after a high school dance. It entered vtec at like 5400 but hit like a rev limiter at 5500. Basically like a wall. Tried to reach the promised land again but this time it kept reving past 5500 but no vtec. Tried again this morning and the rev limiter thing is back. I checked the oil and it is maybe a bit dirty but at a good level and i'm still throwing the 0420 code. Not sure whats going on

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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

Some were on the site are what the codes mean. To me it sound like its going into limp mode and most of the time that because of a map sensor. Now for the power steering wine. You could take it some were and flush it but to try and stay cheep going to an auto parts store and get what is call trans X (they may or may not have it) and put some of that in there. If that doesn't work then take it to a shop.
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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

my guess is the code has something to do with why you are denied vtec.
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are you sure on what code it is man here is the link for what code is what

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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

^mabey the code is throwing your car in to safe mode, I know the ECU learns and adapts to your car. Great example.
I had a high idle, i replace the fast idle control valve, the car starts up like it wants to jump rpm's and dies right out, I replaced this today. Earlier tonight i started her up and she went to die down but caugh her self at 700 rpms, a few more days and start up will be fine.
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I have a code reader and it said in the little book that came with it that the code was for insufficient catalyst flow or something like that but if it really is a JDM engine would the coding be different or would it even be OBDII?
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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

OBDII are not as leanant on codes then a OBDI, id still say safe mode in the ECU, Red line is 7200 rpms and your not even going past the best part if Vtec, deff getting restriced some where. Also maybe theres is another code that wont show untill your fix your current code
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gut the cat ftw.
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My guess is the cat is bad and throwing the car into limp mode.
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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

I had code PN0420 back in the day. It was leaking a lil bit on oil from god know wear in to the engine. What i did and fixed it was sprayed both o2 with electrical connector cleaner, toped off my oil with stp engine oil stop leak and it never cam back. If i rember right iot makes the car run rich and you got a lot of black crap in ur muffler. warm up the car, take off the battery for like 30 mints to reset the ECU then try to get in to vtec to see if the 2 are relater. I could drive for a good bit after doing the ECu rested and the code wouldn't come up but as soon as i did it cam on.
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Not sure where to start but whatever... Alrighty I got my first lude about 10 months ago and loved it to death but mother nature didn't. A hail storm pretty much totally dominated it and it got totaled. But about 2 weeks ago a found and bought a Prelude of my dreams (at that time) and figured all was well. Now I knew that this car had a bit of a checkered past but I figured it was good to go. The last owner replaced the engine with what he said was a jdm h22 with about 35,000 miles after a failed timing belt killed the original. Its also equipped with aftermarket header, short ram intake, pulley kit, and a new clutch. So that's the car basically and here are some problems that i'm now dealing with:

1. Loud power steering noise (particularly when warm)
I've heard this in other cars and a flush seemed to fix?

You need to prime the pump it sounds like you have air in the line.

2.I pulled a 0420 code for a cel that keeps coming back on after i reset it
This is the cat if i'm not mistaken and i'm thinking its bad or the aftermarket exhaust is causing problems

Might be the CAT

3.Rattle at like 1800-2800 RPM
Maybe the bad cat?

I think you answered question 2 all by yourself

4. THE NEWEST and BIGGEST PROBLEM
Yesterday i attempted to enter vtec land and was denied like an ugly boy after a high school dance. It entered vtec at like 5400 but hit like a rev limiter at 5500. Basically like a wall. Tried to reach the promised land again but this time it kept reving past 5500 but no vtec. Tried again this morning and the rev limiter thing is back. I checked the oil and it is maybe a bit dirty but at a good level and i'm still throwing the 0420 code. Not sure whats going on

Check your oil level. Might help but seriously when you get a car like this you need to drive it a while, baby it figure out what it needs like tune up, oil changes, any maintenance that hasn't been done and needs it either timing belt job, valve adjustment, etc. How does the valve cover look? Is the paint coming off? Most times VC paint coming off is a sign that engine got hot for whatever reason failed water pump which did happen according to your story and they repalced the motor with a jdm but that is hear say not proof. You may still have the same ol engine with slightly bent exhaust valves too cheap to have the head redone, I bet they slapped on a new water pump and timing belt and called it a day.

So sorry for this beast of a post but ya'll are smart around here and i figured I could get a little help
No problem, thats why this forum is here. I hope you are albe to figure out your problem but I am almost willing to bet thats the problem they just fix the failed problem but did not repair the damage I hope not and you find and easy fix. Keep us posted.
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3.Rattle at like 1800-2800 RPM
Maybe the bad cat?
I have a 97 SH and it has the same problem.. but mine is full factory exhaust system, i'll check that out tomorrow and I'll post up something unusual...
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I sure as heck hope its not the original engine. The guy I bought it from said that the auto tensioner failed on the original engine and that a jdm one was used as a replacement. When I bought the car he even gave me the old engines valve cover. Is there a way to tell if its a jdm engine by looking at a serial number or something like that on the motor?
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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

yes... look at where the motor meets the tranny under the distributor it should have flat spot that has the engraved h22a thats jdm.

as for you other problems. gut the cat. clear the code.... i bet your cat is clogged and wont let you hit vtec. that is also probably the problem w/ the rattle....the honey comb stuff inside is broken and clogging the exhaust.

and one of your other questions. your car is obd2. a jdm engine is obd1. i honestly dont think thats what motor you have. i have swapped several and they usually come up w some weird barometer code. just check the engraving and let us know.
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yeah i'm gonna go take a look and let you guys know later, this is not looking good tho
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Okay i looked at the spot you described (next to that little hole in the tranny right?) it said h22a with a number underneath it 28*** or something like that. So is this a jdm motor with like a obdII ecu ?

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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

I've been trying to do some research about my situation and i'm not really sure what to think. It says h22a on the motor which means its supposed to be a jdm engine like the seller claimed yet it also seems to be obdII. I plugged my code reader into her this morning and got the same 0420 code for the cat as i've been getting before. If its obdI how is this possible? Is it just some random code but then why the rev limiter all the sudden and other symptoms of a bad cat? I'm pretty confused right now
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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

Sorry to bother you guys again but this car is starting to worry me big time. Yesterday I drive around a bit and now the car struggles a ton. It is way down on power, struggles to gain rpm and in had a pulsating idle at a stoplight. It still has the 0420 cel code but my car has the jdm h22a not the h22a4 and is supposed to be obdI. I'm really at a loss as to what i'm dealing with
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Are you sure the ECU hasn't been changed and it still has the OBDII ECU? That could be contributing to your problems. As the OBDII is a learning type of ECU from what I hear, so that may just be your problem you'll have to get a ECU (OBD I) then get it tuned and you should be okay. Also OBD I only has one O2 sensor and the OBD II has two so your cat may be fine. Most of the time rattling of the exhuast usually is the heat shrouds. Or failing (tri rotted) hangers.
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Well I think I figured some of this out. I tried to limp my car to my parents house yesterday evening and failed pretty hardcore. It just wouldn't go at all after it warmed up a bit. Problem was I took the back roads and got just far enough to be in the middle of nowhere when she just couldn't go any farther. Its now getting dark and my stupid phone is dying so I make a desperate call to the old man and he arrives later. Lacking light, tools, and ramps or anything. We hatch up this plan to either get the cat off or drill some holes in it. Me can't really get to it so we end up just drilling a bunch or holes into it. Sounds stupid but if we don't get moving out of this place some deliverance **** is going probably gonna go down. Start her up and she sounds like a demo derby car with a turbo blow off valve stuck open but this fix actually works and the car is totally better (minus the fumes and sound). I guess the cat really was blocked and now its time for a new one or maybe a test pipe?
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Without reading all the other post you said this motor was replaced I sure hope that ecu was replaced as well that could stop alot right there...Exhaust rattle either like you said that cat or go and check to make sure theres no spots in the catback doing it or hangers or something.Powering steering alot of my parents cars tend to do after sitting we usually flush em and there perfectly fine or it could just be low on fluid.Idk what code that is but check your sensors. theres fast suggestions without reading all this
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I'm looking at buying a new cat online. Is it a pretty easy install with a direct fit type? and do they typically come with the gaskets or not so much?
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well we figured that the cat was clogged. sucks you had broken down. do you have state inspections out by you>?? if not just put a test pipe sure it will be louder but honda engines love it when you open them up.
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Re: New Prelude, New Problems

No emissions testing in good ole Minnesota so I cold do pretty much whatever I want. I just went ahead and ordered a magnaflow cat it was pretty cheap so if I don't like it I could just hollow it out.
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