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Old 09-04-2008, 04:00 PM
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General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

Okay so I have read and will follow this DIY thread
http://preludezone.com/showthread.php?t=9592

I just had a couple questions the car is running great but I am starting to hear a harmonic sound coming from behind the timing cover upper and lower area. To me it sounds like the water pump bearing but I could be wrong. As I am new to the H22 and have never done a timing belt on these before I have put timing belts on my 84 and 90 models. I never had to deal with the balance shaft.

So hear are my questions,

1. Could the sound I'm hearing be something besides the water pump? (i.e. balance shaft, tensioner, etc.)
2. If it does turn out to be just the water pump starting to fail would a timing belt and water pump replacement cut the bill? (As I am about to get another motor for a build and will be replacing everything on that, I just want this motor "current" to last until I have my built one done.) I don't see buying all $700(that would be each $1400 total) in parts for both motors.

I'm still looking for more clear instructions on dealing with the balance shaft, I'm a bit skeptical about doing it myself. Does anyone know the amount of labor it take at a shop (total timing belt and water pump replacement) as I know the going rate per hour is around $60 to $85 depending on where you go.
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Re: General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

i'm not familiar with auto tensioners, but it MIGHTT be on its way going out. idk, i'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario. might also be the water pump like you said.
what do you mean a "harmonic sound"? like its rythmic, with the engine speed?
is it a rubbing? squeeling? squeeking?

if you've already done other t-belt jobs on other cars, then the balance shafts aren't anything to worry about. the pointer on the front one lines up with another pointer on the casing. and the rear one, you take the access bolt out and shove a long thin bolt/screwdriver in there to line the rear shaft up. you'll know what i'm saying when you do it.

how many miles are on the engine?
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Old 09-04-2008, 04:55 PM
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i'm not familiar with auto tensioners, but it MIGHTT be on its way going out. idk, i'm just throwing out a worst-case scenario. might also be the water pump like you said.
what do you mean a "harmonic sound"? like its rythmic, with the engine speed?
is it a rubbing? squeeling? squeeking?


Its more like a rubbing sound I guess as it is rythmic and only seems to happen at low rpm range, 500 to 2000. I only said harmonic as it sounds alot like a bearing rubbing or going bad.

if you've already done other t-belt jobs on other cars, then the balance shafts aren't anything to worry about. the pointer on the front one lines up with another pointer on the casing. and the rear one, you take the access bolt out and shove a long thin bolt/screwdriver in there to line the rear shaft up. you'll know what i'm saying when you do it.

So the front balance shaft lines up like the cam gears and the crank pulley do (TDC)? And the rear balance shaft lines up when you stick the screwdriver in and lines up with the front shaft?

Sounds easy enough I guess.


how many miles are on the engine?
The engine has just turned 149,000 today so it is right along with time to change the second timing belt, as the first time it was done by the previous owner and at the dealer.

I priced parts at the dealer and they came to over $700
timing belt
water pump
hydraulic tensioner
auto tensioner (same?)
balance shaft belt
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Re: General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

okay... harmonic sound??? like a tight belt maybe???? first try loosening the acc belts... then... listen. usually a tight belt makes a whining sound. i dont believe in auto tensioners though... they have failed on several ludes. manual tensioner is the way to go... besides the tbelt on an h22 is easy. the balance shaft belt is cake... honestly they say to put a bolt inside the balancer shaft to hold in place.... but i did it my first two times of doing a prelude/accord tbelt.... after that i stopped and have never had a customer comback or have any other issues. as long as you check your marks that everything is lined up... and spin the motor by hand 3x and the marks still line up your fine. it will save you quite a bit of money. good luck and if you need help lemme know i might be able to help.
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Re: General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

Yeah, thanks. I never had to change a belt on a H series yet. I've done plenty on the b series motors though. I've been looking for a Helms manual on it, hard to find. I'm pretty sure its time for a new timing belt, just want to make due until I pull the motor out first part of next year. Thanks for the advice, I'll post up when I run into trouble.
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Re: General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

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I decided to bump this thread no need for a new one because its on the topic. I have done some research on the parts not really finding anything but some saying always use Honda Factory parts. Well I was wondering as I have priced the honda factory parts and they seem a bit much especially when I go to an auto parts place and price a Beck Arnley is that spelled right? Even so it was about $100 less than factory. Same parts I priced at Auto Zone for $220 I priced at the dealership for $700.

I guess I just wanted to know if these parts manufacturers make the factory parts and Honda and they just slap their logo on them and charge you $100 for the logo.
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Re: General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

Which parts are you talking about? Like the belts and water pump and all that?
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yes tensioners, water pump, timing belt, balance shaft belt.
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Re: General ?'s on timing belt change and related equipment

Well I suppose I am of no help there....I got a full kit with everything I need to do the job for $100 - brand new belts, water pump, bolts, gaskets, the works...I only did it because I know the guy who sold it to me and he never buys anything but the best, so if ya want I can check to see what companies I got all my stuff from and I can post it here for ya...
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i used dayco timing belt and tensioner and have had no problem since doing mine.i got my stuff at advanced auto
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Dude the tensioner cost $92.99

I priced at Auto Zone

Timing belt Beck Arnley $47.99
Auto Tensioner also Beck Arnley $92.99

Balance Shaft belt Beck Arnley $23.99
tensioner $ $37.99

Beck Arnley water pump $85.99

for a grand total $288.95

I used to work there and I might be able to get a 20% discount but I don't see how you got all that stuff for $100, if so and its good stuff like your friend says then can you hook me up!

Just kidding I just wanted to know if Beck Arnley is good parts, or if its just like duralast/ dayco?

Plus the same parts quoted at the local dealer here are over $700 closer to $800.
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my post isn't going to be that useful..but the humming noise your hearing...i think its exactly what i went through!!!, i spent 1300$ for a timing belt, water pump change..(here comes the flames >_<) i know, anyway, well..after i got the car back it was still there!!, i took it to the honda dealer..spent another 800..and it was still there!, after going through a lot of screaming, and fustrating headaches, at last i was being told it was my ac compressor...then in the end idk why the sound just gave out? and it wasnt the compressor..
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Dude the tensioner cost $92.99

I priced at Auto Zone

Timing belt Beck Arnley $47.99
Auto Tensioner also Beck Arnley $92.99

Balance Shaft belt Beck Arnley $23.99
tensioner $ $37.99

Beck Arnley water pump $85.99

for a grand total $288.95

I used to work there and I might be able to get a 20% discount but I don't see how you got all that stuff for $100, if so and its good stuff like your friend says then can you hook me up!

Just kidding I just wanted to know if Beck Arnley is good parts, or if its just like duralast/ dayco?

Plus the same parts quoted at the local dealer here are over $700 closer to $800.

beck-arnley makes quality parts in my opinion.
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