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Old 07-30-2008, 09:23 PM
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Crate Engine or JDM

Hey guys i am looking at dropping a new engine H22A same as i have now but this one i currently have is almost at 200K i have only had it for 40K. But anyways was talkin to my dad about it and he said to get a Crate Engine which comes with everything already attached to the engine or should i get a blank engine and attach all my stuff to it..Dad said once you get a new engine it will cause everything else to go bad and will start having to replace other engine components(starter,alt. etc...) But the crate engine is about $5300 not including installation. and i have found a few JDM H22a engines $3000. but if i have to go through and replace everythign will it be worth the cut in price?

Also. If i get the crate I would have to remove the PS,Cruise, AC because i don't wish to have them..well maybe keep the AC but PS. Cruise going.

Anyone up for taking a shot at this one?

Ok here is JDM H22A link http://www.streetimports.com/product_details.asp?id=953

Here is Crate Engine link http://webapp.jasperengines.com/webcat/catalog.asp
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

Well to start with your JDM motors are OBD1 one i believe, someone please correct me if i wrong.. this also means its a closed deck. Some prefer this and it gives a little more power with less emissions and some say its tougher... but im pretty sure if you have some strict emissions laws then it will make a more difficult passing.... Your "crate" motor is going to be a direct replacement for the motor you have now... Also your JDM motor will have a nice red line of 8k which i know would make me happy...

If i had the dollars you do to throw at a new motor I would go JDM... Replace the other parts as you need. You could even upgrade some things such as alternator for higher output and less strain on the motor (instead of just factory replacement) ... You could pay to have most things rebuilt and serviced and save yourself some dollars.....

I just cant help at think you can service alot of the old parts and have em last you a long time.. And i can also think of alot more you could do to that JDM motor with 2300 extra dollars...

Whats wrong with your current motor you need a new one? Have you thought about just doing a rebuild on your current setup? You could do some great internal work to the motor during the rebuild.

Also if your sure you dont want to rebuild and want to buy flat out what are you doing with your old motor? Why not put your new motor in and sell your old one to help fund the swap? I know if that motor is still in good running order you could get some decent money back out of it...

Also keep this in mind those JDM motors your looking at well at least the link you gave us is for a USED MOTOR not a new one... The link to jasper motors well those are rebuilt and are more "new" then the other....

i guess what im having trouble understanding is why dont you just rebuild your current h22 and build it tough... If you have a budget of 5k+ you could make that motor seriously scream... AND i think you would be happier with a custom build instead of what somone else says you need.
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

If I had that much money to spend I'll definitely do a jdm h22a swap and with the money left over build the motor.

You should get the h22a from hmotorsonline.com (highly reputable site mentioned on honda-tech)

jdm h22a full swap for $2199 plus shipping
jdm h22a long block for $1200 plus shipping

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...13&what=search

Info to make jdm h22a obd1 to obd2
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2084037
http://www.preludeonline.com/f60/com...-guide-205693/
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

hmm..well with a rebuild i would get so lost in parts lol...i could do it that way...but the thing is i am a picky guy..and i mean really picky...if it ain't perfect and i can't make it perfect I don't want it. So ya..but ya the JDM 8k rev would be awesome...but the thing that i really need to know is what will I have to buy to get it going or would it just be strapping it in? Also it would have to be a DD so i can't over power it to much..and along those lines i can't remember what the limit is for a DD on horsepower..liek right now i need to update to at least a stage 1 clutch because i am over powering the stock one..with headers, cat, intake, and heard that it was not really meant to handle more then stock without causing it to burn up.

JDM Vs. Rebuilt is where i stand now..8k rev is a big thing for the JDM..not sure what the OBD1 and OBD2 means.

From what i have gathered since my car is almost 200K it is about 100K over due for a rebuilt lol...or at least a good cleaning and inspection.. also found a good website about rebuilding. http://www.aa1car.com/library/engine2t.htm ..

For the engine i have now is there anyway to extend the rev limiter? i know you can remove govenor (illegal for street driving) but just curious on that.

I guess doing a rebuilt would allow me to make the engine shine a little bit more..but the only thing i am worried about is when you do a rebuild is the disadvantages of a part being put back that should be changed...because honestly i don't know if i could do the rebuild myself..It would be a hell of a challenge for me, but i don't think i am ready for something like that..but afraid a shop might screw me over...advise?
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

I suggest you do some research before you actually decide to do something lol. Honda-tech, preludepower, preludeonline are nice sites to get your info from. You should check their faqs. Also people are more active on there than here.

Quick rundown OBD1 and OBD2 refers to the ecu.

Basically obd1 ecu came in 92-95 prelude and other hondas. It's less restrictive to mods and easier to tune. See more gains in hp/tq when modifying.

OBD2 came in 96-up preludes/other hondas. The opposite of obd1 where it is restrictive to mods and more difficult to tune. So you basically see minimal hp/tq gains.

Also if you're in a state that does emission testing you'll definitely fail if you have a obd1 ecu in a obd2 car because they use a scanner to hook up to your car to check emissions. OBD1 cars just does the sniffer test in the gas tank.
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

ya that is what i am doing..ok hmm..well i think it would be better for me to stay with a obd2 since i will me moving around a lot. Need to maek a list of all the parts that I can get for a DD so that way i can start pickin them out once i decide what i want to do.
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

I think rebuilding is the way to go. That way, you can always throw in some go faster bits easily...
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

you can always do the obd2 type s motor with 11:1 compression and for 3300 bucks would be more powerful than a crate motor. plus it comes with ecu, tranny w/ LSD, alternator, starter, and a bunch of other necessities.
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30018

and if your are gonna order a crate motor i would just order straight from honda for around 4500 plus shipping its cheaper than jasper.
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...SMISSION++ASSY.
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

ok well hey if i go through the parts list would it be easy enough to find all the stage 1 stuff...like what is the limit for a D/D cams to much? Because i want 4-2-1 headers, cams, aem V2 intake, so on..
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

There really isn't a limit to what you can do to a daily driver....its more what you can put up with in a DD. Some peoples limits are greater then others.... A prime example is a flywheel, I love my 8lb for street DD but others can't stand it they need something a little heavier. Its all in what you can live with. If you build it correctly it will be as dependable if not more so then stock, but its has to be done correctly and that takes dollars....
But I get the idea from you that you want a good strong running n/a motor. Its good in bumper to bumper and fun to drive when u want it to be......
With that in mind you could go type s cams or something just as mild for street use.... Do some good head work valve job and polishing.... Since your not going to serious in the build you can stay in stock peramiters and be pretty safe.... Just replace with good quality parts... Maybe toss in some upgrades here and there.... But from the sounds of it you won't be needing to change to upgraded piston, rods, crank ect ect... Most of you power gains from a build like this will be in the head and some bolt ons.....
But what will you want down the road? Plan on boosting? Then make the compression for it correctly... Want nitrous? Build your motor to make that power....
I think you really need to sit down and figure what you want out of the car....
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

ya. well i wouldn't mind throwing a Turbo in it honestly..I have a high limit of what i can handle but want to make sure the car can handle bumper to bumper abuse..well i got a month before i leave for basic and tech..so i guess i get to do research and if you or anyone know of some MAJOR helping website for my position please post it till then...google is my friend lol.
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

Well, If I was you, I would rebuild. Rebuilding takes patience though, especially if your doing it by yourself. And organization is the best tool, believe me. Make sure every bolt is labeled and in separate bags.

The JDM motor will give you extra power, but from what I've heard its hard as hell to pass emissions with them.

If you do decide to swap motors, I'm a serious buyer and I'd be willing to buy the h22 you have in there. I'd just need the block, head, and tranny though. No alternator, cruise, ac, or any of that BS. so you could keep that to use in your new motor (if you do decide to purchase a motor without all the accessories)

Dont make your decision too fast either. Give it some time before you make it final.

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ya i am preobably gonna rebuild..just looking up information on how to go about it..was trying to find a rebuild kit, but no luck.
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next question, are you building for boost or n/a. because those two different setups. you've gotta make your mind up b4 you start.
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ok well would boost go with the JRSC?
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yes, boost would go with a JRSC. just make sure you take your time and do your research on what goes best with that set up. i know there are a couple of people with that setup on here.
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

Well if anyone with a JRSC have anything that they can tell me i would really like to here it.. Thanks all
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Re: Crate Engine or JDM

I have a JRSC

it's a nice bolt on, it has everything you need to get 210-250 whp depending on how much you want to spend...

some people have done a little tweeking (about $2k worth) and are getting 14-17 lbs of boost out of their JRSC...of course this requires an entire engine build not to mention a handful of other upgrades...

If it's a DD strap on a JRSC and you should be happy (and safe)

One other thing, JDM engines have higher compression than USDM and you should take that into consideration when deciding if you want to go FI / NA
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So i just need to bolt on the JRSC? don't have to tweek it to much since it is a DD?
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yes, if you have some mechanical know-how you can bolt it on yourself...

if not, then you should consider paying someone to do it...

and def don't put it on an engine with 200k mi on it...
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lol..rebuild process coming on to get it back into like new state..it is gonna take a long time but to big of a deal.
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