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Old 07-14-2008, 06:14 AM
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Gas Mileage - Need help troubleshooting

Hi guys,

I sit with a huge fueling problem on my H22 Auto. I am getting 6.9km per liter average.

With the cost of fuel in my country this is a bit difficult to keep up. I bought my car second hand and didn't know what to expect.

The best i've got is 8.5km per liter open road travel, but never 25mpg as you international folks get (10.63km per liter).

I suspect the issue lies with a faulty sensor like an O2 sensor, I experience no check engine light though. If anyone has items I can check please shout, i've looked through repair manuals and they are pretty big to find a troubleshooting list. If you know a page out of Helms, let me know ;)

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Old 07-14-2008, 06:17 AM
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I usually drive with a very light foot unless some ass is tailgating, seems like even when I thrash the car, I get the same mileage.
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:01 AM
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i would say just go through and replace air filter, plugs and maybe wires... and maybe check to see if theres a leak anywhere

see if that does anything and let us know
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:54 AM
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Done all of that already ;) before posting mate. Not here to waste anyones time lol :)
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Old 07-14-2008, 11:27 AM
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If you use up all 15.9 gallons (about 60 litres) you'll get about 400 miles (about 643km) out of it, which is 25 miles per gallon. I usually use 13 gallons before I fill up because when you use all 15.9 the gas meter disappears and that is not a good feeling lol.

For the best gas mileage you have to be light on the gas pedal, dont use vtec a lot, stay within the speed limits, keep proper tire pressure, car tune up(i see you already have), easy on the brakes, dont use the air conditioning while driving slow, dont open the windows while driving fast, and all that good stuff. Those are the most economical ways to get good mileage. Unless you swap in an f22, then you'll get around 30 mpg.

Check how well your wheels spin, make sure the bearings spin smoothly.
Change your fuel filter if you havent.

thats all i can think of right now
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:03 PM
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Hi all,

Thank you for the responses. I've actually done all of the above, including replacing the filters. Wheel bearings are 100% and there is no rolling resistance that way.

I will continue to look at other items as well as request a code check as soon as I have free time.

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hmm something is f'ed in the a. Definitely get it checked out. 16.23mpg (6.9km/litre) is very bad...like my jeep
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:53 PM
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sounds like you tried a lot... could the ECU be seriously messing up somehow without throwing a code (or the CEL light bulb is out? ha...)??

does it run well? seems unlikely that you could run rich enough to use that much gas unless you keep her spun up above 5000k all the time. ;)
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Old 07-14-2008, 12:58 PM
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Lol :D maybe the CEL bulb is gone ;) hence no error thrown.

Well the car seems to be quick, especially after working on the intake past weekend. Early days to see if this has helped.

I do notice a lot of black soot at the exhaust, using premium 95 unleaded here in South Africa.

Will keep you guys posted, the worry is because when I got the car I was in the 7's and now we are in the 6's :P Anymore and the car has to park and stay there.

PS: I have a project car that I hammer the Sh!t out of and it gets 8.5km per liter of fuel (2.0 16v mazda which i've tuned to run richer).
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maybe a nice cleaning out of carbon (black soot) will help...i would suggest seafoaming it

heres a thread made by my buddy Scotty Fields

http://preludezone.com/showthread.php?t=4068
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Lol :D maybe the CEL bulb is gone ;) hence no error thrown.
it was more of a "one or the other". :) ... seafoam is a good idea if you have that much soot.. just hard to believe it could make that much difference...
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try using 93 octane next time you fill up. what type of work did you do to your intake?
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I have the same problem 400km to a tank I haven't replaced my sparkplugs and probably need a new air filter but I doubt the air filter can make over 100km to a tank difference.

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That > http://www.sl-tuning.co.za/index.php/topic,1092.0.html

and then

This > http://www.sl-tuning.co.za/index.php/topic,1100.0.html

Trouble hasn't been as a result. If anything, my car is much better now. I think this is an O2 sensor issue, car is 10 years old, those sensors aren't made to last forever.

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I have the same problem 400km to a tank I haven't replaced my sparkplugs and probably need a new air filter but I doubt the air filter can make over 100km to a tank difference.

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A dirty airfilter can rob you of power, enough so that you loose some km's but I agree with you 100km would seem excessive.

Plugs however sure :) if they are old, replace them, your fuel isn't burning correctly and most likely putting foot to floor in order for the car to perform.

I've got the stock plugs in mine, so my issue I know is sensor related. Let you guys know soonest.
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try using 93 octane next time you fill up.
Hehe tried this too :) and surprisingly actually got 40km's more out of the tank :) don't make a habit of it though, especially due to the label on the tank door.

Although common sense tells me 93 isn't THAT low and we are equipped with knock sensors to retard timing. Doubt it will kill the motor even if used for lengthy periods of time.
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Hehe tried this too :) and surprisingly actually got 40km's more out of the tank :) don't make a habit of it though, especially due to the label on the tank door.

Although common sense tells me 93 isn't THAT low and we are equipped with knock sensors to retard timing. Doubt it will kill the motor even if used for lengthy periods of time.
What octane rating do you usually use?

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?? Premium is 93 octane here in the States. I get upwards of 27-28mpg with my h22. And its a beat up engine with alot of miles on it
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Hehe tried this too :) and surprisingly actually got 40km's more out of the tank :) don't make a habit of it though, especially due to the label on the tank door.

Although common sense tells me 93 isn't THAT low and we are equipped with knock sensors to retard timing. Doubt it will kill the motor even if used for lengthy periods of time.
the label says 93. at least for me it does.. i used to use 87, never had a problem.
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:D I use 95 Octane :) We still get that here.
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I had the same problem, what ever driving stile I used gas mileage was very low. The problem was with flex pipe after exhaust header, it was damaged, and since O2 sensor is very close to it, it was reading wrong mixture and my car was running very rich all the time.

There is also an option that your O2 sensor is not working properly, I know couple of people who had bad O2 sensor but no engine light came up to them to alert them about the problem.

As for the fuel octanes, here in Europe lowest octane number you can get is 95, people usually run on 100. It is possible to buy up to 105.

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The octane measurement is different in the US, the US 93 octane is similar/equal to the 98RON octane that I run. 95RON is the bare minimum, which I believe is similar/equal to 91 octane in the states.

Have you thought about plug wires Sean? If you've got access to a multi-meter pull them off and check the resistance. Otherwise I would say like you've suggested the O2 sensor.
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Can anyone back this up.
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The highest fuel we have here is 91 lol I think it because of the altitude
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:D I use 95 Octane :) We still get that here.
we still get 95, 97, 110, and a few others(id imagine) here also

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The octane measurement is different in the US, the US 93 octane is similar/equal to the 98RON octane that I run. 95RON is the bare minimum, which I believe is similar/equal to 91 octane in the states.

Have you thought about plug wires Sean? If you've got access to a multi-meter pull them off and check the resistance. Otherwise I would say like you've suggested the O2 sensor.
Whats the RON stand for? I always thought the octane rating was the percentage of viable 8 carbon combustible molecules in the petrol. IE 93 octane = 93 % give or take.Or at least posses the same anti knock or pre ignition characteristics of mixture with the like % of octane. So if I buy 93 octane fuel although its not 93% octane it is based on that scale. So the 93 octane will have the same anti knock or ignition and most likely burn rate characteristics of its actual 93% octane mixture.

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"In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
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Could it be your computer putting too much fuel in and running too rich or something along those lines.
Can anyone back this up.
Not a bad idea, would it be worth resetting the ECU to see if it helps?
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okay I am soo happy this question got posted because i was about to ask it myself. I drive a 2001 honda prelude base type. i have a full cat back 4 inch exhaust and an AEM intake. I have new NGK wires and plugs, new EGR valve, new O2 sensors, new cap, new fuel filter. I get 380 Kms on a tank of gas and i have always used 92 octane. Thats what premium is over here in Victoria BC, Canada. This is whether I drive with a heavy foot or a light one. Please if anyone on here can tell me what the heck is wrong with my car that would be great. Im hearing alot about ECUs what you guys think?
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Yeh I think a 4" exhaust would cause that. That would be so laggy down low it's not funny!
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