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Synthetic Oil v Conventional Oil and Money Saved

Am I figuring the savings correctly? If I run conventional engine oil in my car for 5,000 miles and get 25 mpg, I have used 200 gallons of gas. If I use synthetic engine oil in my car for the same 5,000 miles and get 2% better fuel economy (25.5 mpg), I will have used 196 gallons or a savings of four gallons. Four gallons times $4 a gallon would be $16 in savings. The synthetic engine oil was seven dollars more giving me a savings of nine dollars ($16-$7).

Do you think synthetic oil will give me a 2% boost in miles per gallon? How many of you are using 100% synthetic engine oil in your Preludes?
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I would be very surprised to see synthetic oil gain 2% on your MPG. I'd also be very surprised if your figures came out that round, but for ease of explanation I see your point.


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Synthetic isn't about gas mileage its about making your engine last longer.
I will always put synthetic in my car as I will always use premium gas in my car, I love my car so I give it what it deserves. and with 37 xxx miles on it I can see my car outlasting me lol
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oh, stop it. seriously. conventinal oil is the best. anyone spending the loot on synthetic probably never had a total-lost car. Like the many sheep that has followed advertising, I rocked Syn-oil in My now dead sentra (because i always got it on mail in rebates), with only 44k miles on a 2000 sentra, my car was destroyed by a woman that sped in snow and plowed into the rear of my car in 2004. complete loss and the babied engine went with it.

Now, getting rebates on conventional oil (they're plentiful and they give you savings up front) is better, 5hit go rebate shopping for your car parts, Including some green honda oil filters that are actually proven to give you fuel economy. And brown bag your lunch cause an average eatery lunch goes for 8 dollars/day.

And for those that think I don't baby my car, shove it. I get premium parts for my cars, not liquids that my car are gonna piss out anyway. and the very same because this thread is gonna go there... I do not put additives "proven to (insert automotive miracle here) in my car either. If you want the car to last forever, change the fluids more often.
but stop spending money on oils, and premium gas if your car don't need it.
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why are you waiting 5k to change your oil when using conventional. the biggest difference is the detergents in the oil and how long the oil last before breaking down. i change my oil religeously ever 3k cuz soon after that amount the oil does not do what it is designed to do as well as it should
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Look under your oil filler cap it tells all. (As long as you have your original oil filler cap and not some I drove through pep boys with a s??t magnet attached to my car filler caps). You can get a good basis on how much sludge your car has accumilated over the years.
Obviosly there are other variables aside from what oil you use, such as driving habits and average weather conditions bla bla bla. But for sake of argument; I have 105k on my motor with barley any visible residue under my cap. Service records to show synthetic was used the majority of the autos life.
My freind in his acura with around 80k and conventional shows a massive amount more residue under the cap. Now mind you he is very particular about oil changes every 3000 miles especially since he uses conventional. But still has massive build up compared to my motor with more miles even.

Now with that being said Oil can effect your mpg a great deal. However as long as your oil is changed when its supposed and your not going 5k between conventional oil changes and your using a good weight oil for your weather conditions, motor wear and other variables then no you won't see a leap in mpg. I believe there is a great sticky all about oils, conventional and synthetic in this forum. I would read read through it and all your questions will be answered.
If your using conventiomal now I would stay that way and not switch to synthetic as the detergants and weight of the oil may do more harm to your motor then good. Just keep good matnence habbits and those are not 5k oil changes.
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This has been talked about so many times... Just put what ever makes you happy in your car. Apperently everybody is not going to use the same.
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Tell me about it. I'm still unsure as to how synthetic oil can improve fuel economy? The hardest thing is that people swear until their blue in the face about it, but can't actually back up their claims with hard data.
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Tell me about it. I'm still unsure as to how synthetic oil can improve fuel economy? The hardest thing is that people swear until their blue in the face about it, but can't actually back up their claims with hard data.
Like how adding hp to your car increases fuel economy.... Since the power added makes the car run stronger, then you use less gas to get going, hence the fuel economy... that should be a new category call "fuel efficeincy", and not confuse the two. NSX is fuel efficient.. it isn't economical.
Unless the manufacturer said in the owner manual a recommended grade (5w-30 conventional, 10w-40 synthetic or 20w-40 truckgrade oil), get the one tha works best for less. Im shutting up before i get banned...
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Like how adding hp to your car increases fuel economy.... Since the power added makes the car run stronger, then you use less gas to get going, hence the fuel economy... that should be a new category call "fuel efficeincy", and not confuse the two. NSX is fuel efficient.. it isn't economical.
Unless the manufacturer said in the owner manual a recommended grade (5w-30 conventional, 10w-40 synthetic or 20w-40 truckgrade oil), get the one tha works best for less.

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you guys have no clue how deep oil conversations can really go.

did you know that there are oils that if used long enough can create products like sulfur which can create sludge and increase engine wear? How about friction reducers such as zinc additives which reduce friction and engine wear at its most critical time?

or if you switch to another brand and two chemicals combine to create a type of metal which gets into ever crevice in the engine and increases wear?

Don't buy what is cheap. Buy what works. Knowing what works takes research.

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i've become very picky in the type of oil that i use. A quality oil can improve power and also can improve gas mileage by reducing frictional losses and reduce the amount of heat produced by this friction.

there is MUCH MUCH (more than i have the knowledge to explain) more to oil than buying what is cheap.
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bobistheoilguy is a great site. I wish I had time to research all there is out there about oil. I stick with mobil 1 or royal purple. I didn't however consider how the additives in the two react with each other....... time for some more research...
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A lot of people are bashing synthetics.

There are real life benefits to using synthetics.

1. Synthetic oil is important for cars that aren't daily driven because synthetic oil clinges to metal better than conventional, maintaining lubrication longer on an unused motor than conventional. personally my car sits for 3-6 days at a time between uses quite often. I'll pay more for that extra protection of synthetic.

2. Synthetic oil doesn't breakdown as fast. This is important for those who would prefer not to change their oil every 3-5K miles. I personally go 5-6K miles between changes using premium filters and my oil isn't even that dark coming out...it just looks like maple syrup. Also if you only put 6K on the car in a year...synthetic is still protecting the engine like new but conventional oil, after being sheared and heat cycled many times is starting to breakdown after 1 year.

3. As the cost of petroleum goes up the price differential is actually getting closer between good conventional oil and good synthetic oils. I pay about $21 for 5 quarts of Mobil 1 full synthetic at Walmart. A good conventional like Castrol GTX costs about $12 now for the same quantity! and going an extra 1-2K miles between changes with synthetic negates the cost difference.

4. I'll agree that 2% increase in fuel economy is possible. Depends on driver style and the motor's condition though.

5. lastly, and possibly most importantly is the gunk build up created by conventionals that run hot in high compression engines at high rpms. The gunk build up can be enough to restrict flow through oil passages and through the VTEC solenoid. Ever see a valve cover that is all brown with oil varnish? that's conventional oil for you. Synthetic oil users would have a mirror bright valve cover and vavle train.
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oh, stop it. seriously. conventinal oil is the best. anyone spending the loot on synthetic probably never had a total-lost car.

I get premium parts for my cars, not liquids that my car are gonna piss out anyway
You can't blame synthetic for your car loss. That was your fault (or the other drivers) that got into the accident. So unless synthetic oil caused your engine to seize or something it wasn't doing anything wrong.

Sure oil will "piss" out but oil is a MAJOR engine component. It's basically the life of the motor. Thats like saying why get premium when your car's gonna burn it up anyways.

Now I don't know about fuel economy but Royal Purple dyno proved that their synthetic oil gains hp. I only run Royal Purple in my baby and ever since I switched over, the car's been riding smooth.

There might not be a huge difference but syn.>conv. IMHO.
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Higher grade synthetics at lower viscosity levels lighten the load on all working components. I have seen a 3kW increase on my personal project car simply by changing oil from the normal run of the mill GTX to a fully synthetic Castrol Edge 5w40.

It wasn't my intention to make power, mearly to stop breakdown of oil at high rpm. Since seeing this work for my project, i've started using it in my 5th Gen.

To date no problems and I rather pay the premium. For the love of my motor ;)
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I just bought my Lude in early June and the previous owner has run nothing but Mobil 1. Would there be any types of problems caused(as mentioned above) by switching to a Royal Purple? Anyone on here use both of these and have an opinion on which is better?
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I am of the opinion that Mobil 1 is better. If I could afford it here in SA, i'd use it ;) If you do switch to RP, just make sure you drain all the oil first. I know that technically they are both fully synthetic but I wouldn't take a chance and mix them. You never know how they will react with one another.

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OK, I appreciate the way you took my comment out of context. the fact still remains, I cannot drive my sentra now despite putting synthetic oil in my car. What people don't know is Synthic oil is a natural magnetic pull for traffic accidents... very much like the question: A tree falls in the forest. no one is around. Does it make a sound?
SO? Does a car-compactor thank you for using Synthetic?

I said, do not put fluids your car manufacturer doesnt' require. If you're car is modded, tuned, or nos-ed your car then you will 100% need synthetic. If you have a base low compression setup, no turbo, in fact no Forced industion (superchargers and mega blowers need synthetic) then use what you need. If your car is gonna sit, then also use synthetic. The Point im trying to make is Hoping your car getting 1-4hp from oil is ridiculous. If you're DD doesnt require the oil, don't waste money getting expensive oil. If your car has less than 100 hp at the wheel, don't get synthetic. It's like that girlfriend that you bought a 5hitload of CD's for and for the breakup, she took all of them. You gonna do that for all your girlfriends? And yeah, oil is a main component... but how many people get high grade radiator fluid to keep their car running cool? cause last time i checked, cars need a good radiator fluid more than they need a good oil. like you find out in 3 miles... and nobody talks about that.

IN this day and age, people still get all riled up over simple facts. You want to use synthetic, use it. But remember this: a jiffylube synthetic oil change (for a pontiac GTO)goes for 65.00, a conventional change is 34.00... I can change my oil in 1500miles to brand spanking new oil if i wanted to and be at a 3 dollar loss... As far as conventional grades and formulas are concerned, stick to one oil company. OH, and oil doesnt save your car if you've recieved it "abused" from the previous owner.
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THE IMITATION OF ANY OR ALL MANEUVERS EXECUTED BY A BA B20A 4WS PRELUDE IS HAZARDOUS TO YOUR CAR'S HEALTH. DRIVING A PRELUDE MAY CAUSE LOSS OF INTEREST IN OTHER CARS, WOMEN AND SPEED LIMITS. OTHER SYMPTOMS INCLUDE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS, COLD SWEATS AND OTHER SYMPTOMS RELATED TO ADDICTION. IF THE SYMPTOMS PERSIST,DRIVE!
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And yeah, oil is a main component... but how many people get high grade radiator fluid to keep their car running cool? cause last time i checked, cars need a good radiator fluid more than they need a good oil...
Me. I prefer to have higher boiling point and no rust in my radiator ;)

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