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Old 06-27-2008, 09:33 PM
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5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

As many of you know, The auto transmissions in the 97-98 Preludes is notorious for failing. Honda made a few minor upgrades in the transmission for the 99-01 models, so they are less likely to fail, but this guide is still valuable for those model years. Since I have just been through the process of having mine rebuilt and upgraded, I figured I would write a guide on how to handle the issue should it ever come up. Hope this helps someone.

The First Signs Of Failure

The very first sign of the transmission failing in most cases is a clicking or whining sound coming from the left side of the tranny (Directly under the Distributor Cap) It tends to be most prominent at idle. In the cases where your transmission is clicking, it is usually caused by the clutch starting to "peel" because of extreme heat build up inside the transmission block.

In either case, if you notice and sound similar to the ones mentioned, take it straight to a transmission shop and try to avoid driving it as much as possible. What could be only a $400 problem can easily turn into a $2400 problem from just five minutes of driving.

Another sign is the car "Neutraling out" when it trys to shift it will shift into neutral and pause for a second, then violently shift into the correct gear.

If you ever have any suspicion, take it straight to a shop, don't wait around, you'll only do more damage to it.



I think I Have A Problem, Now What?

If you feel like your tranny may be on it's way out, take it right to a shop. Remember to shop around for general estimations, no shop will give you one figure but they will give you a ball park (Ex. $1200 - $2800) Also, when you’re shopping around, take note of the person you speak with. Some tranny shops may have already dealt with a 5th gen and now how to go about it. Listen to see if the representative has a pretty good knowledge of the problem.

Some shops will provide a warranty, however, a shop that gives you a lower price may give you a warranty that only covers parts they inspected/replaced. Specifically ask if they're warranty covers all parts of the transmission (Most won't warranty the electronics because they can fail at any time.)

Also, many shops are happy to tow your car from your home free of charge. I'd highly recommend this because you need to stay off of your transmission as much as possible.



What Can I Expect Price wise?

It's hard to give it an estimate, it can be as little as around $1000 if you take it in immediately, but don't be surprised if it ends up being closer to $2500. It all depends on how badly the inside of the transmission is burned up.

For 97-98 owners, most shops will be happy to order the upgrades that were made for the 99-01 years that helps prevent transmission fluid from settling and heating up. This upgrade usually costs around $300 extra, but I'd highly advise it as it can save you another two grand a few years down the road.



Closing

All in all, it isn't a wonderful experience to have to go through, but I hope the information provided can save some people some time and money. I hope no one reading this ever has to go through with rebuilding their transmission. Keep in mind, a 5 spd manual swap makes a good deal of sense and your tranny failing can be a perfect reason.

I hope this guide has covered the questions some people may have.
Feel free to contact me if I left something out.

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wow this helps a lot my tranny just started doing this.. but imma do a 5 spd swap anyway
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this came a lil to late...mine did the worst as it could with all of the above scenarios(spell check) anyway i took it to a tranny shop and they screwed me and said its not the tranny KEEP DRVING ON IT until it does it again...IDIOTS... now a 400$ problem became a $2800 problem!!!!! the mother wouldnt let me do 5spd swap cuz it was her money so...i got screwed in every opening in my body...
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Another sign is the car "Neutraling out" when it trys to shift it will shift into neutral and pause for a second, then violently shift into the correct gear.
oh snap, my car has a similar problem. sometimes i have to press down really hard on the gas for the car to pick up speed, and when it does, it seems like the car just rocketed off or something. :ugh:
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yeah mine shifted in neutral also and kicked into gear....one day on my way through the portsmouth tunnel(in VA), it shifted into neutral for the last time...i got an estimate for the rebuild at $2200...i asked the guy how much for a 5spd swap, he told me about $3500-$4000...so i believe i got screwed too...could of had a 5spd now if i wasnt such a noob at the time...
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Hah.
This happened to me in my 1997, and I got the transmission rebuilt, I wanted to do a 5spd swap too, but I didn't have the time or the money to put into it, and it's happening again, so I'm ****ed.

It's good to know this isn't my fault though, thanks.
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yeah mine is rebuilt too, still has the whining sound and I'v been driving it like that for 2 months now, although the gears shift fine... just makes me think I should of considered the swap
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Stupid question, if I were to take my lude to Honda themselves, would they be able to swap the auto out? The reason I am asking is that gearboxes aren't an issue to find here, the problem is the hang on parts and ecu.

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To swap for a 5th Spd. Manual? I don't believe Honda will, but thats speculation.
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Thanks for the information. I will find out anyway. Perhaps I can buy all of these parts new.
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last summer i had mine replaced i have a 2001 and it was starting to shift hard. now it still has the whining sound. went back to the shop and they are saying its not from the tranny. i don't know what to do about it..
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Does the whine sound similar to the whine that most Honda's make while in reverse?
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Not detracting from acardi's question but I have a question too.

My 98 lude, auto, doesn't have any whine coming from the box. The neutraling out you speak about, I don't get this when changes take place if what you explain takes a second or two.

My car changes, seems to over rev, and then settle in its new gear. Like a clutch on a manual car would be getting stuck. I thought at first that the box is slipping but this goes away when the car gets hotter.

What can I check? Fluid levels are correct. I've looked at the workshop manual and couldnt find any troubleshooting tips related to my problem.
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Mine does this. Congratulations, you are about to break an engine mount - probably the front one as that's the one with the most stress on it.

Don't worry too much, I was told that I "must change it immediately or it WILL fail" nearly 35,000km ago.
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Hehe, in response to which reply ;)

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mine only comes when i let of the gas. yes it sound like when you put your car in reverse
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Mine does this. Congratulations, you are about to break an engine mount - probably the front one as that's the one with the most stress on it.

Don't worry too much, I was told that I "must change it immediately or it WILL fail" nearly 35,000km ago.
So neutraling out in an auto 5th gen after a tranny rebuild could be a broken engine mount?

My car has a hell of a time getting into gear, feels like a neutral drop when it does, and it shifts like ass until it's totally warm, so it's doing the same thing as everyone else's, but is that engine mount related?
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i had a transmission problem but i wonder one thing since all u guys since shuld do a 5 spd swap u mean like d full engine swap right ? or just the transmission ? m sorry if its a stupid question
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Na, it's just the transmission and some other minor parts, (Pedals, adding a clutch cylinder, ETC.)
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what are you like serious .??? can you like seriously add manual transmission to an automatic engine ??????
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The engine doesn't determine the transmission type. Technically, your just adding all the things that a manual Prelude would have had. But yeah, the engine has nothing to do with it.
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damn my mechanic lied to me then ...he told me automatic engine can't go with manual transmission otherwise i would have changed my transmission to manual from auto when i blew mines
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i had a transmission problem but i wonder one thing since all u guys since shuld do a 5 spd swap u mean like d full engine swap right ? or just the transmission ? m sorry if its a stupid question
Not asking questions is stupid.

Try searching and you'll find Drew's 5 speed swap thread:
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Re: 5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

mine was bad then i started just using the sportshift and it worked fine now it seems like the deadly tranny diesase has spread more and the tiptronic is messing up as well....:( i might just get another auto tranny just for now to get by cause i dont have the money for the 5 spd swap for now.........
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Re: 5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

i just got an 2001 and i love it.... but is another sign of tranny problems not haveing an overdrive?? i was on the higway taking it home doin about 75 and it was sittin at about 3500 rpm. That just dosent seem right to me. Any answers??
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Re: 5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

Believe it or not, thats perfectly normal for Preludes. Your fine.
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Re: 5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

thanks for the help.....i called my local honda dealer earlier and they said it was normal too..... i used to drive an accord v6. They said it was completly different the a 4 cyl. Thanks again
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Re: 5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

The auto gear ratios are just too high, so you're right, it seems like it's revving high, but it's normal.
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Re: 5th Gen Auto Transmission Failure Guide

my '01 tranny gave up also. just had it rebuilt. is it worth the money to get a 5sp swap? or just sell mu lude and get a 5sp?
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