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Differences Between Base and SH Models

Sorry guys, this is another on-going thread. Waiting for Jimmy to get me his pics but I'm posting mine now and will move this for the 5th gen reference guide so we can have solid ground to tell the n00bs to search. If any of you have anything else to contribute, just reply and I'll add it where I need to. This thread will stay open once it's in the resource guide anyway.



This is a guide to help new and potential 5th Gen Lude owners tell the difference between a base model and a Type SH.

As we all know, when buying a car, you may not be getting the 100% genuine real deal. Unless the person is just really good, you should be able to spot an SH using this guide just by riding by it once.

The first difference from the factory is the wheels. Base models receive 16x6.5 directional, polished "fan blade" rims.



SH models came with 16x6.5, 5-spoke, silver powdercoated rims.



The next thing is the sideskirts. Base models came with black vinyl skirts.



SH models have the skirts painted the color of the car.



NOTE: The rear valence is also an indication. Base models are vinyl and SH models are painted.


Next thing, ALL SH's have spoilers. Some base models did and others didn't. Because all SH's came with a spoiler, there was no need to go ahead and install a 3rd brake light in the back window since there is one on the spoiler. An SH rear deck looks like this:





A base deck looks like this (Also notice this particular car didn't have a spoiler):



This is where I really wish I had an SH. Base models don't get courtesy lights in the doors:



SH models do:



A base model shift knob looks like this:



Base automatics look like this:



All SH's are manual, and their knobs are leather wrapped and look like this:



Finally, when you turn the fuel pump on, an SH will have an "ATTS" light and the base model won't.





If by some crazy chance somebody pulled off all that on a base, check the VIN.

Base manuals start with: JHMBB614



Base autos start with: JHMBB624



SH's start with: JHMBB615



MECHANICAL DIFFERENCES

-The Type SH springs are a bit taller.
-The struts are different as well, the base where the spring is perched sits lower on the Type SH, hence the taller spring. It has a little firmer spring rate than the base.
-The front knuckles are different, the radius rods, the front trailing arms, and the roll bars are a couple of millimeters thicker than the base front and rear. -The rear trailing arms are a little thicker as well but not by much.

-The only problems with after market struts would be having to modify the dust guards on the struts with stock springs. If you go after market springs and struts that are replaced properly you will not run into any issues

-Header collector is longer to accommodate ATTS
-Exhaust is 2-3ish inches shorter at the cat connection to accommodate the header differences.
-Type-SH oil filter is in a different location on the block

Picture of the oil filter location on an SH:




I'll post a pic soon of the location on a base model. You can't see it unless you get under the car.

Picture of ATTS off the car:




For more information on ATTS, CLICK HERE!
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Rep to whoever gets me a better shot of the ATTS light, SH side skirts, rear deck, and start of VIN number.
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The springs are not the same. The type SH springs are a smidge taller. The struts are different as well, the base where the spring is perched sits lower on the Type SH, hance the taller spring. It has a little firmer spring rate than the base. The front knuckles are different, the radius rods, the front trailing arms, and the roll bars are a couple of millimeters thicker than the base front and rear. The rear trailing arms are a little thicker as well but not by much. The only problems with after market struts would be having to modify the dust guards on the struts with stock springs. If you go after market springs and struts that are replaced properly you will not run into any issues

Header collector is longer to accommodate ATTS

Exhaust is 2-3ish inches shorter at the cat connection to accommodate the header differences.

Type-SH oil filter is in a different location on the block compared to the base

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I repped you both. Pics are about to go up. Thanks kids.

Now, I'll start on the mechanical side, which Steph already got us started on.
If anyone wants to get pics of the ATTS coolant lines in the engine bay, and a pic of the oil filter location, I got one of ATTS itself out of the car.
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Great info guys!

Is there a difference in the rim weight/size/offset?
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Size and offset are the same, weight I believe there's a difference, but it's a couple of tenth of a pound.
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Size and offset are the same, weight I believe there's a difference, but it's a couple of tenth of a pound.
The SH wheel is only slightly heavier.
5th gen wheels are actually pretty light weight for stockers.
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Very helpful E...

I'd like to point out that that damn thing is THE DEVIL when doing a clutch job =)... eh... not really, but I like to complain.

Good job bro.

Also, in regards to the wheel weight question... this link here should be stickied:
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54 (8.5"x11" pdf) pages of wheel weights

Base: 19.0 pounds
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Yeah the gal that owned my Base model was pretty good they added the OEM rear wing with the third brake light but they left the thrid brake light in the rear window. I still have to get back there and take that out. I wasn't swindled, I knew I was buying a base model. Very good thread now that should stop all the posts about

" How do I know I'm buying a SH " or " SH vs. Base "

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Yeah the gal that owned my Base model was pretty good they added the OEM rear wing with the third brake light but they left the thrid brake light in the rear window. I still have to get back there and take that out. I wasn't swindled, I knew I was buying a base model. Very good thread now that should stop all the posts about

" How do I know I'm buying a SH " or " SH vs. Base "

Nice.
Base will have the window light regardless of having a spoiler or not.
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you could mention that base models are lighter?
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^^^ I agree, I think the base manual 99-01 are the best since they have the same hp and tq yet lighter than SH. Unless you're a circuit person, (I THINK) the base model is the best.
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Everyone says base are best, but man I want to try out some passes like Grant's in a SH. I must say in my base I drive them a little conservatively.
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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

everything that you said about SH I have it to my car. but it doesn't say SH at the back of my car. it only says SE.

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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

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everything that you said about SH I have it to my car. but it doesn't say SH at the back of my car. it only says SE.
If it has everything he said except in the back, I'm pretty sure you have an SH. Where are you located (country)?
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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

I jsut want to bump this up for all the noobs to use the search engine. You will find all your answer's in here.

Thanks SI speed for posting this up for me...I mean for everyone LOL



Quick question tho...which model comes with foglights?

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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

They were optional across the whole range in the US. By that I mean the round lights similar to the ones I have. The large ones are the JDM fogs.
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Do you guys know the weight difference? BTW this is a good thread and should be stickied, good job Si Speed!
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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

For Canadians I'd like to add that

there was a version released that had all the SH goodies

(the spoiler, the sh rims, the leather shift knob, the sideskirts, the suspension)

basically looks like an SH but has the rear window light and no ATTS unit

(my car would be an example of this)
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For Canadians I'd like to add that

there was a version released that had all the SH goodies

(the spoiler, the sh rims, the leather shift knob, the sideskirts, the suspension)

basically looks like an SH but has the rear window light and no ATTS unit

(my car would be an example of this)
Was it the SE model??
I was google'ing it last nite about 5th gens. And that was the model that it listed for Canadians
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Was it the SE model??
I was google'ing it last nite about 5th gens. And that was the model that it listed for Canadians
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Do you guys know the weight difference? BTW this is a good thread and should be stickied, good job Si Speed!
Curb Weight (lbs., MT/AT).........(Base) 2954/3009................ (SH)3042/NA
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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

yeah the SE is the same as SH. honda just changed the name. b/c of their weather, canadians have standard heated side mirrors as well. the buttons go somewhere on the driver side door. im pretty sure where the storage thing is. the SH also has more power. like 210 or 215 to copensate for the weight. just as fast as the base. (think like the 06 Si and the 06 Mugen Si. same stated hp but the Mugen Si got more un official power. diff intake manifold or sum. i forget)
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oh and the SH and base have different turning radiuses. the SH is slightly better and i mean like slightly lol. dont know the exact numbers but if the base is like.....47 then the SH is 51. (random #'s btw)
SH vtec kicks in at a diff rpm i hear? the my SH is 5200 whats the base?
lastely isnt the SH gear ratio shorter in the first 3 gears or sum like that? i used to know all this stuff lol u know what they say. if u dont use it u lose it
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Base and SH have the same power. (Officially. Unnoffical, unvarified tests have shown them to make slightly more on an engine dyno, however if anything this is only to get around the small amount of power required to drive the ATTS pump)
Yes, the SH turning radius is slightly longer. 11m vs 10.6m for non-ATTS equipped cars.
No, the high cam engagement point is the same across all models.
No, the ATTS gear ratios are not shorter. Well, not noticably anyway - the gearsets have the same part number.
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Base and SH have the same power. (Officially. Unnoffical, unvarified tests have shown them to make slightly more on an engine dyno, however if anything this is only to get around the small amount of power required to drive the ATTS pump)
Yes, the SH turning radius is slightly longer. 11m vs 10.6m for non-ATTS equipped cars.
No, the high cam engagement point is the same across all models.
No, the ATTS gear ratios are not shorter. Well, not noticably anyway - the gearsets have the same part number.
oh. well there u go. i was half right. lol some things are fact some are well known bs lol
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Re: Differences Between Base and SH Models

Also the SH adds +10 to your pimp stat over the base.

And it has the cool typeSH sticker on the back.


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