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Old 03-10-2008, 08:06 PM
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Tran oil type

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I just picked up a 93 2.2 vtec with a 5 speed and was wondering what kind of oil goes in the tranny? Is it atf? also how much does it hold? and where are the fill and drain plugs located?
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Download the 4th gen technician manual located in the 4th gen resource thread. ATF is automatic transmission fluid, so no that's not the right fluid. You want either Honda MTF or the apropriate weighted "Gear oil"... I've also heard good things about GM Syncromesh
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the 75-90 should be good but i would just do as mofo says
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any kind of synthetic motor oil works good. and i believe its like 4, maybe 5 quarts. but dont quote me on how many quarts.
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Just note that "any kind of synthetic motor oil" does not mean any WEIGHT synthetic motor oil. Transmission oil has a different weight/viscosity system than motor oil. I believe 75W90 is a common gear oil for modern manual transmissions.

Your best bet though... is just buying the correct Honda MTF

Edit: 5spd transmission oil is a little over 3 quarts if I remember correctly... 3.2 quarts for an h22 5 speed I think.

Also... check this out for the difference between gear oil and motor oil. Save yourself the headaches and pickup the Honda MTF =P. Less numbers to worry about and it's meant for your car =)

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cool thanks for all the info
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go to honda and tell them dat u want manual tranny fluid. theyll tell u how much u need
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Just note that "any kind of synthetic motor oil" does not mean any WEIGHT synthetic motor oil. Transmission oil has a different weight/viscosity system than motor oil. I believe 75W90 is a common gear oil for modern manual transmissions.
true that. nice save! u truely are one bad mofo! haha
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just the manual that someone on here told to download and it says, for a 5speed it hold 1.9l and uses either 10w30 or 10w40 motor oil SG. I also found the fill and drain bolts as well.
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Damn guys, 3-4 qts? Have we all done the auto swap or something? Cobra is right, 2qts.

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10w40 motor oil is equivelant to 75w90 gear oil... that's what I was trying to say before about the difference in the two measurement systems =P... sorry about the confusion... I shoul dhave been more clear about that. Just follow what that manual says and you'll be fine.

And also, I don't know where I got 3.2 guys lol, but I knew 5 was way high =P.

Edit:Here is some literature on the difference between motor oil and gear oil

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Gear Oil and Motor Oil Are Not the Same
Gear oil differs from motor oil. Most people assume that SAE 90 gear oil is much thicker than SAE 40 or 50 grade motor oil. However, they are the same viscosity. The difference is they are calculated by different classifications, SAE gear lube and SAE engine oil. Another main difference is the additives used to produce them.

Motor oil has to combat byproduct chemicals from gasoline or diesel ignition and should contain additives such as detergents and dispersants. Since an internal combustion engine has an oil pump and lubricates the bearings with a hydrodynamic film, the need for extreme pressure additives such as those used in gear oils does not exist in engines.

Engine oils and gear oils both have anti-wear additives, and they both must lubricate, cool and protect components, but gear oils are placed under extreme amounts of pressure, creating a propensity for boundary lubrication, a condition in which a full fluid lubricating film is not present between two rubbing surfaces. For example, differentials in cars and trucks have a ring and pinion hypoid gear set. A hypoid gear set can experience boundary lubrication, pressures and sliding action that can wipe most of the lubricant off the gears. To combat this extreme environment, extreme pressure additives are incorporated into the oil. Companies like AMSOIL use an extra treatment of extreme pressure additives in its gear oils in order to reduce wear and extend the gear and bearing life.

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Just saw this also... This is interesting...



I know that he has a 4th gen and this is taken from the 5th gen technician manual, but aren't the M2F4 and the M2Y4 transmissions identical other than their gearing?(correct me if I'm wrong please)

It's strange that Honda recommends two different things for two different generations of an almost identical transmission.
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Not sure. I just fill it until it over flows.
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Not sure. I just fill it until it over flows.
Hehe I didn't mean the capacity.. I meant it's weird that they recommend two completely different fluids.

One recommends SAE motor oil, and the other specifically warns against it.
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